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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 12, 2013 12:12:37 GMT 12
After sleeping on it overnight, I have decided that I really like the new livery.
As Ando has already said, it is "distinctive, very Kiwi and sharp".
And it looks sooooo good on the Boeing 787-9.
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Post by bell407 on Jun 12, 2013 12:50:56 GMT 12
I don't see how a black or black and white plane with the fern on it is going to make people want to come to NZ or make people want to do business with NZ.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 12, 2013 13:39:01 GMT 12
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Post by shorty on Jun 12, 2013 13:43:39 GMT 12
But teal blue is so 1960's man, like get with the times, people renovate their houses, upgrade their cars, change their hairstlyes, buy new clothes, etc., all the time. Why should a multimillion dollar flagship business of the nation be esxpected to stay with daggy old colours of the past rather than keeping their corporate look fresh and vibrant? We're not a communist block country. I have lost count of how many times in my lifetime the cabin crew have changed their outfits (and their names, when I first flew they were hostesses and stewards!). Also the style, colour and desig of the airline seats have changed dramatically, for the better too. And the airline food has changed tremendously. No-one seems that worried about these corporate changes happening to alter the image, so why not the outside of the planes. But with no respect for the past where would YOU be Dave? It makes your history book projects a complete waste of time, I mean the GR squadrons are so 1940s man, lets get with it and just concentrate on satellite surveillance!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 13:56:27 GMT 12
But teal blue is so 1960's man, like get with the times, people renovate their houses, upgrade their cars, change their hairstlyes, buy new clothes, etc., all the time. Why should a multimillion dollar flagship business of the nation be esxpected to stay with daggy old colours of the past rather than keeping their corporate look fresh and vibrant? We're not a communist block country. I have lost count of how many times in my lifetime the cabin crew have changed their outfits (and their names, when I first flew they were hostesses and stewards!). Also the style, colour and desig of the airline seats have changed dramatically, for the better too. And the airline food has changed tremendously. No-one seems that worried about these corporate changes happening to alter the image, so why not the outside of the planes. I couldn't agree more. If the spotters with their heads in the sand had their way, we would be still flying around in DC10s dressed up in that awful NAC livery.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2013 16:00:59 GMT 12
Shorty. the current martime reconnaissance aircraft in the RNZAF don't wear the 1940's livery, they have moved on with the times through many differnt colour schemes. These will be recorded in the books, they don't have to be on the aeroplanes themselves.
Recording history in book form is very different from expecting the old liveries to still be used decades later on the actual aircraft fleet. There are already books and websites and models and all sorts of other things that reflect the history of TEAL, Air new Zealand and NAC, why does it have to be on the modern airliners?
Do you feel the same way about buses, truck fleets, and all the other commercial vehicles around NZ?
Also what is considered an iconic scheme to your generation is old hat to the next generation, who think the scheme of their time is best, and then that generation after that will be thinking this new black look is the iconic era of Air New Zealand as this is the scheme they'll grow up with. And it will go on and onlike that. it's like arguing over who was the best James Bond or Doctor Who, everyone has an opinion of their own based on their own subjective ideas of the era they grew up in.
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Post by Naki on Jun 12, 2013 16:24:19 GMT 12
I agree with Dave here but it would be quite cool if they did a one off retro TEAL(on a 777 perhaps)and NAC scheme(on a A320 perhaps).
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Post by beagle on Jun 12, 2013 17:23:27 GMT 12
A TEAL scheme on a aircraft that does mainly trans-tasman and an NAC scheme for an internal B737 before they go.
As for the new schemes. The all black version looks more finished, as in it all blends in, as opposed to the mostly white one which makes it appear that there is a big lump on the rear fuselage before the tail. My personal view would have been the removal of the Koru and had the ferm, done in silver extended up the tail.
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Post by Kereru on Jun 12, 2013 18:38:03 GMT 12
Wasn't TEAL mainly flying boats? :-)
Agree with Dave time to enter the 21st century!
Colin
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Post by shorty on Jun 12, 2013 19:02:35 GMT 12
Wasn't TEAL mainly flying boats? :-) Agree with Dave time to enter the 21st century! Colin You must be a young tacker, I remember TEAL markings on DC6's, Electra's and a DC 8! Anyway, more to the point, I never suggested retaining the TEAL colour scheme, that interpretation came from other people reading their own ideas into my post, neither did I suggest painting our maritime aircraft in 1940s colours! What I did say is that it was a shame that aLL the historic markings have gone when they could have been used as part of marketing. Retaining historical markings is nothing new, witness the albatross on the 5 sqn P3s or the 3 sqaudron crouching warrior. I was also pointing out that corporates also lie to their staff- as shown in the godwit statement! BTW there is no "k" in communist bloc
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Post by alexjc on Jun 12, 2013 19:35:46 GMT 12
I agree with Dave here but it would be quite cool if they did a one off retro TEAL(on a 777 perhaps)and NAC scheme(on a A320 perhaps). I agree with the idea of an early ANZ retro livery on a 777. I guess I just don't like the constant changing tweaks of the livery over the last ten years, considering I only ever saw two before hand, in 1981 and 1996. - And fact I collect 1:400 di-cast models and it's a very expensive addiction. Fleet colour changes don't help.
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Post by Freighter5910 on Jun 12, 2013 20:32:32 GMT 12
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 12, 2013 20:56:10 GMT 12
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jun 12, 2013 21:37:41 GMT 12
Wasn't TEAL mainly flying boats? :-) Yes. Of the 19 aircraft registered to Tasman Empire Airways, 13 were flying boats and six were landplanes (DC6s and Electras).
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 12, 2013 21:55:01 GMT 12
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Post by suthg on Jun 12, 2013 22:09:44 GMT 12
Hmmm, nice bit of research!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 13, 2013 1:56:07 GMT 12
The first use of the Silver Fern as a national symbol was on New Zealand military insignia during the South African War (1899–1902).
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 13, 2013 2:02:05 GMT 12
I never suggested retaining the TEAL colour scheme Hmm, but you bemoaned the loss of it which I interpreted as you inferring the same thing. Another link with the airlines founding and history cast aside with the dumping of the teal blue trim (did none of these PR muppets know the connection between TEAL and teal blue?)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 13, 2013 2:06:33 GMT 12
Hmmmmm....what's that I can see on the tail? They must have put TEAL on the tail for the whingers who couldn't cope with change and progress. Like when they wrote One Shilling on the ten cent pieces in the 1960's for people too dumb to work out the currency had changed!!
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Post by alexjc on Jun 13, 2013 10:02:00 GMT 12
Hmmmmm....what's that I can see on the tail? They must have put TEAL on the tail for the whingers who couldn't cope with change and progress. Like when they wrote One Shilling on the ten cent pieces in the 1960's for people too dumb to work out the currency had changed!! Very ture Dave, Most people didn't even know where NZ was back then (some still don't now) and TEAL was seen as an adjunct to QANTAS and BOAC as an onward air service from Sydney and Melbourne. I suppose the true international route to LA might have had something to do with this as well.
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