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Post by ngatimozart on Jul 26, 2013 18:33:06 GMT 12
Campbell Live are broadcasting an item on the Hawker Tempest 2 at Ardmore tonight at 7pm. They just advertised it.
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Post by suthg on Jul 26, 2013 18:40:27 GMT 12
Thanks, I'll try and get control of the controller LOL!
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Post by Ykato on Jul 26, 2013 19:05:45 GMT 12
Thanks, I'll try and get control of the controller LOL! Good Luck with That  |
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Post by turboNZ on Jul 26, 2013 19:54:19 GMT 12
Great article. Would be awesome to see one fly.
I wonder how much of the Fury/Sea Fury is interchangeable to make this happen, Napier Sabre not withstanding. Also, with all of the stories of the Sabres being notoriously unreliable, just how much is there in the way of engines/ spares to make this happen? Mind you, you can get a virtually brand new Merlin these days so I guess anything is possible !!
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Post by planecrazy4 on Jul 26, 2013 20:26:05 GMT 12
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Post by agalbraith on Jul 26, 2013 20:48:03 GMT 12
Great to actually see some actual 486 Tempest footage as well!
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Post by turboNZ on Jul 26, 2013 21:25:37 GMT 12
Great to actually see some actual 486 Tempest footage as well! What I actually also liked was that they didn't dub over the awesome Napier Sabre noise with some generic Harvard noise !! Did you notice the take-off footage, it seemed to be a real handful to keep in a straight line (not surprising) with lots of rudder being used !! |
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Post by scrooge on Jul 26, 2013 21:37:57 GMT 12
it did look pretty twitchy- wish I could have half a chance to do half as well.
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Post by suthg on Jul 26, 2013 22:00:16 GMT 12
Yes it certainly needs some syndicate support to stay in NZ and continue with the rebuild. It would be one of three aircraft racing to be the first Tempest back in the skies, this one with the 54L Bristol Centaurus 18 cylinder radial engine - a bit of a beast with some real horspeower, like the "sister" Napier Sabre that Kermit Weeks has for his Tempest V at Fantasy of Flight in Florida.
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Post by suthg on Jul 26, 2013 22:02:02 GMT 12
it did look pretty twitchy- wish I could half a chance to do half as well. Not a very easy aircraft to get off the ground safely, but like the sister Sea Fury, very agile and fast in the air. |
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Post by baz62 on Jul 26, 2013 22:50:38 GMT 12
Wow. I really hope to see this one fly!
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Post by phil82 on Jul 27, 2013 5:01:59 GMT 12
Th camera-gun footage showing the destruction of a V1 with the aircraft subsequently flying through the debris is allegedly Flt Lt Jim McCaw,grandfather of Richie.The late Flight Lieutenant (retired) Jim McCaw lived in Wanaka until 1996.
In 1944 McCaw senior saved countless Londoners’ lives by shooting down German V1 rockets and when he ran out of ammunition bravely risked his life by bumping missiles off-target using the wing-tip of his Hawker Tempest MK5. He was credited with 19 1/2 “kills” and was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for his attacks on German-controlled railways and missions over sea which saw 73 ships destroy
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Post by Bruce on Jul 27, 2013 5:03:56 GMT 12
Great article. Would be awesome to see one fly. I wonder how much of the Fury/Sea Fury is interchangeable to make this happen, Napier Sabre not withstanding. Also, with all of the stories of the Sabres being notoriously unreliable, just how much is there in the way of engines/ spares to make this happen? Mind you, you can get a virtually brand new Merlin these days so I guess anything is possible !! Having worked on ZK-SFR in a previous life, and having seen the tempest at Ardmore, I'd be very surprised if there was anything other than minor internal components in common. The two aircraft are VERY different . |
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Post by jp on Jul 27, 2013 9:25:59 GMT 12
suthg: from what I've read, it's highly unlikely Kermit Week's MkV will ever fly - (unless he on sells it). Apart from the fact that progress on the restoration appears to be glacial, and although to an airworthy standard, he has no intention at this point in completing systems etc once its finished to static standard.
Given that a lot of his aircraft have been airworthy at some point (B-24, B-26) and have never flown much more than ferry flights to the museum - don't hold your breath!
Don't get me wrong - along with an airworthy Mosquito (done!) seeing an airworthy MkV Tempest is my own Holy Grail - but wishful thinking isn't going to get it to happen....
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Post by suthg on Jul 27, 2013 9:58:21 GMT 12
jp - he is definitely not planning on getting his MK2 flying, that will remain as a static display, but I think the Sikorsky aircraft are consuming his resources and fever at the moment - although he has two Sabre engines, one of which I believe was a crate engine, but as you say, at the moment it seems highly unlikely to get that all together into a complete Tempest V in the next three to five years. And yes, getting any Tempest in the air would be wonderful. It sure sounded nice in the video clips which I have heard many times before...  One can communicate with him - he is quite personable, but yes, resources can only go so far... I am a realist as you are and am not losing any sleep over it! I wish Pioneer Aero all the support they can get from within NZ to keep that project moving and for the plane to stay in NZ as it represents squadrons of NZ airmen who flew them. |
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Post by turboNZ on Jul 27, 2013 23:34:03 GMT 12
Great article. Would be awesome to see one fly. I wonder how much of the Fury/Sea Fury is interchangeable to make this happen, Napier Sabre not withstanding. Also, with all of the stories of the Sabres being notoriously unreliable, just how much is there in the way of engines/ spares to make this happen? Mind you, you can get a virtually brand new Merlin these days so I guess anything is possible !! Having worked on ZK-SFR in a previous life, and having seen the tempest at Ardmore, I'd be very surprised if there was anything other than minor internal components in common. The two aircraft are VERY different . Ahh,..the Baghdad Fury. What a beast !! Remember seeing that at Wanaka many moons ago. I guess it's like saying a Mk24 Spit is like a Mk.V. And yup for some strange reason I thought it was an NS engine and not Centaurus. My mistake, duh !! The Mk 2's are mostly the radials and Mk V's are the H24's ay. |
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Post by steveh on Jul 28, 2013 16:37:42 GMT 12
afaik, the Tempest wing & the Sea Fury wing, folding arrangment excepted, are pretty much the same. The Fury was built as a lightweight Tempest & was narrower in span by a section taken out of the tempest centre section. Once the Fury became the Seafury with wing folding, there were of course other changes but I would expect the wing outer panels to be fairly similar. I believe the U/C is basically the same too.
Steve.
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Post by Bruce on Jul 28, 2013 18:24:51 GMT 12
afaik, the Tempest wing & the Sea Fury wing, folding arrangment excepted, are pretty much the same. The Fury was built as a lightweight Tempest & was narrower in span by a section taken out of the tempest centre section. Once the Fury became the Seafury with wing folding, there were of course other changes but I would expect the wing outer panels to be fairly similar. I believe the U/C is basically the same too. Steve. Nope... The Sea fury has a single centre section, whereas the Tempest wings bolt to the fuselage. The tempest forward fuselage is tubular construction with remove able panels, the Sea Fury is monocoque all the way. The tempest has a 2 piece tail plane, the sea Fury has a one piece unit that slots through remove able panels in the fin. The Sea Fury undercarriage has longer stroke and operates on a different principle. The Sea Fury has a 5 blade prop, the Tempest only 4. Even the rivets on the rear fuselage are different, the Tempest has raised head, the Fury is flush head counter sinks. Having worked in the bowels of a Sea Fury, my impression of the Tempest was that it would be a "cousin" rather than a direct ancestor of the Fury. |
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Post by turboNZ on Jul 29, 2013 11:27:11 GMT 12
Fascinating info, Bruce. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by steveh on Jul 30, 2013 21:35:05 GMT 12
My comments were only concerned with the wing similarity between the Tempest/Fury. This quote from Wikipedia agrees with everything I've read for the last 45years though not terribly well expressed in my previous post. "Developed as the "Tempest Light Fighter", the semi-elliptical wing of the Tempest was incorporated, shortened in span, at the root, by one frame bay on each side" Further developement of the Fury obviously lead to further differences but in essence it is my understanding that the Sea fury wing was a direct developemnt of the Tempest wing, likewise the U/C was modified from those of the Fury prototypes to allow for the higher landing forces encountered in carriers ops. I intended no comment on any other aspects of the Sea Fury genesis nor do I believe I made any.
Steve.
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One can communicate with him - he is quite personable, but yes, resources can only go so far... I am a realist as you are and am not losing any sleep over it!