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Post by thebrads on Oct 29, 2013 16:30:33 GMT 12
I'm working on my latest RC project, which is giving a tidy up and a couple of small improvements to a 64" (about 1:7) radio controlled P-40. This belongs to my father, also an avid RC flyer. Currently it is in the factory (i.e. poor) representation of the AVG, like all RC P-40's seem to be. (Meaning it's glossy, awful shades, it's covered with crap material etc). What we need are suggestions as to a suitable colour scheme. We could pick anything from a web search, does anyone have a favourite they want to share? Please post up a pic or link for suggestions, and if you want to convince us why, your reasoning. I think it would more than likely end up as a NZ scheme. No promises any will get chosen, but your suggestions are welcome. Also at a guess, we will likely to avoid the more common/hero ones, so no Gloria Lyons, Wairarpa Wildcat, or anything with sharks teeth! Dad reads this forum, so he'll see them here. Model as it currently appears: (note the legs for scale) Full thread: www.modelflyingnz.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=161 |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 29, 2013 17:03:17 GMT 12
It looks to be a P-40E?
How about:
NZ3007 HQ-A 'MAGNOLIA MUFFLEWURT'
NZ3008 HQ-B "UMSLOPOGAAS"
NZ3036 HQ-Q 'PARKYAKARKUS' name on the port cowl
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Post by thebrads on Oct 29, 2013 18:33:48 GMT 12
Cheers Dave. Yes it nominally is a E, but the outline isn't true scale, as with most RC models, some liberties are taken with scale to suit ease of flying or production. I googled your suggestions and came up with your own post! Repeated here:  Copyright - Air Force Museum The above picture shows from furthest from camera to closest: NZ3007 HQ-A 'MAGNOLIA MUFFLEWURT' - No. 14 Squadron, Masterton, flown by Peter Gifford NZ3036 HQ-Q flown by Paul Green - No. 14 Squadron, Masterton, which Leo White described in his book "Fighters" whilst writing about this photo shoot as being called 'PARKYAKARKUS' name must have been on the port cowl NZ3008 HQ-B "UMSLOPOGAAS" - No. 14 Squadron, Masterton, flown by Stan Quill It's been suggested another in the squadron was called Thundergutz but I've not yet seen evidence. |
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Post by Luther Moore on Oct 29, 2013 20:21:30 GMT 12
I like the P-40 from the movie ''1941'' and ''Peral Harbor'' the olive colour with the sharks teeth, I think they also have the early star. The RNZAF with the white tail and stripes is pretty cool also. Here is one you might like-  |
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Post by shorty on Oct 30, 2013 12:14:40 GMT 12
But it still has bl**dy sharks teeth! Despite what the Americans think they are NOT compulsory! (No 112 Squadron RAF have a lot to answer for!)
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Post by thebrads on Oct 30, 2013 15:36:54 GMT 12
+1 Shorty! I think the sharks teeth have been done to death.
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Post by dewobz on Nov 3, 2013 16:18:39 GMT 12
I rather like Dave's "true to mark" suggestion of a 14 Squadron 'home-based' P-40E with a crazy "Mairzy Dotes" type name on the cowling.
However, if it were to be an operational P-40K such as NZ3060 '9' - the other Fisken aircraft - there is the interesting idea debated on here recently (from memory) that its disrupted camo scheme may have been US Dark Green (or possibly Olive Drab?) & NZ Blue Sea Grey over US Sky or Light Blue undersides, with white stripes and 1" red dot on the fuselage roundel. I reckon that would look cool and I hope to build a 1/48 version some day myself.
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Post by thebrads on Apr 13, 2014 19:33:12 GMT 12
Thought I'd do a quick update in case anyone was interested. Firstly I haven't yet decided on a colour scheme! I am leaning towards an "inspired by RNZAF" but not accurate. Am also thinking about making it a short-tailed K.   Progressing along, since the original pics, she has new pneumatic retracts, guns, entirely new tail surfaces that look 1000% better, new underwing and root fairings, and have fibreglassed the wing. (Fuse to follow). Still to come are substantial mods to the front end, to evetually suit having a very nice looking cowl fitted, and new canopy. And paint. That does not have any sharks teeth. Does have this though: (and yes it can be dropped in flight).   |
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Post by planecrazy on Apr 13, 2014 20:41:13 GMT 12
Probably a bit boring but different, I have some ventura decals which has an all silver RNZAF P40,
would stand out from the crowd and be easy to paint over when you decided on a change.
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Post by harvard1041 on Apr 13, 2014 21:35:37 GMT 12
I'm with Shorty on this one, really dislike the sharks-tooth look, done to death. How about a nice P-40E - nice early model P-40, as used in NZ... a couple of suggestions: How about a 16 Sqn Fairhall ( Blenheim ) machine such as NZ3044 XO-P  or a bare metal aircraft always looks great - this Canadian natural metal P-40E ( George Maude, currently for Sale ).  Cheers Hvd1041 |
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Post by planecrazy on Apr 29, 2014 22:22:20 GMT 12
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Post by thebrads on May 2, 2014 21:39:12 GMT 12
New favourite idea (i.e. most likely to happen unless i change my mind in the next few weeks)  Somehow i never saw her in this particular scheme. Is "authentic", but will also translate to a model well in terms of visibility etc. |
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Post by gyrocaptain on May 14, 2014 23:40:09 GMT 12
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Post by ZacYates on May 15, 2014 18:46:09 GMT 12
Love the Wildcat!
If you wanted a silver example that's Kiwi, go for the Silver Barge...I'm sure someone will be here shortly with a photo ;-)
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Post by thebrads on May 15, 2014 19:07:40 GMT 12
Hey chaps, cheers for the ongoing suggestions. Sorry, despite that being a great looking model, it will not be any version of the 'Wildcat, for the reason that it has been modelled over and over again. I like to mix it up a bit, rather than focus on the already well known identies. (Lest we forget all the others too!) In saying that, the white stripes will most likely appear though, simply to aid visibility of a camouflaged plane amongst green backdrops. Here's a teaser of the latest bit i'm working on:  In case you were wondering, yes that is a working scale exhaust. |
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Post by komata on May 15, 2014 21:00:01 GMT 12
As a suggestion, for an 'ordinary, work-day' P-40: RNZAF NZ-mixed 'Pacific Green' fuselage and upper wings, and grey under-surfaces. White wing and forward-fuselage stripes, White fin/rudder and tail planes, Light blue 'Pacific' type roundels (with bars) in four locations, dark blue roundels and white bars under the wings. I have a 1:32 Revell P-40E in these markings as NZ3095, but as the kit is at least 20 years old, I can't recall the origins of the markings (possibly Darby's book?), but have no reason to doubt their authenticity. FWIW, the roundels are all hand painted, and the aircraft itself has seen 'better days' and is 'care-worn', as befits a rather tired veteran. Against a dark green surface the 'stripes' look quite effective, and the white 'tailfeathers' really stand out. With some considerable trepidation (as there are so many excellent modellers on the forum), I've posted some images below to show the model's colour scheme, but unfortunately the colour-resolution isn't particularly good. Despite that, I hope they are useful.      |
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Post by suthg on May 15, 2014 22:05:33 GMT 12
Thanks Komata - was there no camo on that plane? I do like the white squadron markings, (if that is what they are) and they will stand out esp on the relevant plane that you have chosen as well, ( thebrads). It's always good to pick the underdog - someone no-one else has picked on to model and respect! |
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Post by thebrads on May 15, 2014 22:21:28 GMT 12
Nice work. Seems the AFM copied you with their NZ3000!  I do like this scheme, its in the lead with the yellow spinner-ed NZ3009. |
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Post by komata on May 16, 2014 7:02:14 GMT 12
Suthg
Thanks. The camouflage was a 'variation' on the standard USAAC Olive Drab and Grey'Green scheme, but mixed in New Zealand. As a result the green (while 'nominally' Olive Drab)was a darker shade than its American counterpart, as was the grey. From memory the colour I used was Humbrol O/D 'eyeballed' with the addition of a few drops of matt black until it 'looked right' and matched the original colour diagram. The Grey/Green was treated in the same way. NZ-mixed colours tended to be darker than their US counterparts.
The stripes and white tail were not squadron markings but rather recognition markings (aka 'safety' markings) for allied P-40's in the Pacific islands. Initially the American aircraft recognition skills were very poor and the P-40's were frequently mistaken for Japanese 'Zero's and 'Tony's, especially in combat situations. After several 'own goals' the allied commanders decided that pilot safety outweighed security and the allied P-40's were were adorned with white 'recognition' stripes. Initially these were single stripes (as evidenced by thebrads and gyrocaptains photographs), but with time the markings expanded and evolved into the ones the my model carried. I think the 'white' markings were P-40 specific, but no-doubt I will be corrected if that wasn't the case.
Thebrads
FWIW: I believe the yellow spinner that NZ3009 carries in the photograph was a Brietling(?)/ OFMC modification painted-on when NZ3009 was in Europe. The RNZAF didn't have yellow spinners on its P-40's AFAIK, so it would not be 'Pacific-Theatre Authentic', and may not fit your requirements. I personally felt that the yellow spinner 'didn't fit' the aircraft's history or provenance, and also noticed that it seemed to discolour over time, and become darker.
Not sure about the 'bomb'; 'for practice purposes' perhaps?
BTW: I hadn't seen that 'Museum' diagram before, and didn't know of its existence. 'Great minds' and all that ...
Hope that it helps.
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Post by thebrads on May 16, 2014 21:18:45 GMT 12
The P-40 pic was provided by Barf at the AFM recently, he is a great source of information. To any modellers, i can only recommend you contact him if you need any info. He also helped heaps with my recent Harvard model, providing much info, e.g.  I was talking to him at WoW, and he said he was/is working on tidying up the P-51, as it has been in incorrect markings for 20 years, and thus been annoying him every time he looks at it. Yeah the bomb is not "scale", but being absolute true scale to the nth degree isn't what i'm after. "Looks good at a 20ft flypast" is my favourite line. |
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