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Post by slackie on Jul 26, 2014 21:42:40 GMT 12
Is Brownlee also the son of the Maori King??
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Jul 26, 2014 23:53:19 GMT 12
Is Brownlee also the son of the Maori King?? Check with the Greens Party... they're bound to keep this subject alive until the 20th of September
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Post by baronbeeza on Jul 27, 2014 0:08:40 GMT 12
Yep, interesting times. So David Cunliffe's Minister of Transport will be Julie Anne Genter or someone else ? The Greens would have a number of ministerial positions. There could be some big changes in just 2 months time. I am already looking at converting a Tomahawk to run on cow dung methane. I have struck a few technical issues though so it may have to be pig sh*t instead, at least they may fly...
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Post by macnz on Jul 27, 2014 3:23:16 GMT 12
'It isn't clear whether that offence would apply because Mr Brownlee and his two staff members were allowed through the door.'
>> what the? If it wasn't an offence why did the pilot of the plane need to be advised by "..a senior Aviation Security Service (Avsec) officer, who visited the cockpit prior to departure, that Mr Brownlee was on board and that he had not been security screened". By the way this reads Avsec realized an offence was in the making and they were culpable in its making. lel - to say the error was the Pilot's for starting the flight. Talk about trying to pass the buck. Just fine them each $3,000 and let them go ahead and file their expense claims.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 27, 2014 10:08:46 GMT 12
Why did that Avsec staff member go see the pilot rather than grabbing the Minister and his colleagues and saying "Oi, you have not been checked!"
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Post by chinapilot on Jul 27, 2014 10:38:52 GMT 12
Baronbeeza - good post on the previous page.
Those braying for the blood of the airport staff bring to mind the saying 'don't wish for what you might get'.
We don't need anymore BS in the system.
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Post by thomarse on Jul 27, 2014 11:21:36 GMT 12
What's happened to our "No politics please" rule?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 27, 2014 12:52:19 GMT 12
What's happened to our "No politics please" rule? A politician stuck his nose into what this group is all about with his arrogance....AVIATION....that's what happened. If Brownlie had followed the rules just like everybody else is required to prior to boarding jet flights, then the topic would NEVER have arisen.
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Post by lumpy on Jul 27, 2014 13:10:49 GMT 12
Personally I think this all a bit of a storm in a tea cup . He didnt actually breach aviation security - security staff knew what he was doing the whole time and informed those that should know ( such as the pilot ) . Obviously those involved ( security ) decided that as they knew the person , they trusted him enough to let him continue ( its debatable if that was the right thing to do , but it was their decsision ) Its not like he climbed over a barbed wire fence in the middle of the night to secretly approach an aircraft undected or anything . Clearly it was stupid and probably arrogant , questions will be asked ,but surely it should be more of an internal disiplinary issue rather than a public witch hunt ? ( I wont take offence if you think Im wrong )
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Post by eieio on Jul 27, 2014 21:46:37 GMT 12
Right on ,Lumpy,,,,,,,,deplane 130 bods ,search the aircraft with a microscope because one of the three may have had bad intent .Imagine what the passengers would think and say ! Of course it is possible that Gerry [who everyone recognise's] has had a fill of the world and had bad intent. And at the end of the day maybe "security" is getting tired of treating all as criminals.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 18, 2014 10:19:15 GMT 12
Herr Brownlie got fined $2,000 by the CAA for his arrogance in breaching Civil Aviation Rule 19.357(b). Click on the picture to read the news story....
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Post by madmac on Nov 18, 2014 11:07:32 GMT 12
So in summary, an individual deliberately avoids security screening, and boards the aircraft, and hence it departs, at which point, no one (Avsec or the flight crew) can demonstrate that all screening procedures have been followed and hence the safety of the flight is lowered. it then follows that because the person expects to be recognized by the flight crew and the Avsec its all fine, so this means anyone [insert your least liked celebrity here] with $2000 & expects to be recognized can do the same thing.
The pilot should never have been put into this position, which raises another question, was he (the pilot) in breach of Air NZ procedures.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 19, 2014 14:23:32 GMT 12
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Post by hardyakka on Nov 19, 2014 20:39:03 GMT 12
I'm no great fan of Gerry Brownlee, but I'm beginning to think he might have been hard done by.. Whenever I see a news article quoting a piece of legislation I like to go and read the act being quoted to see how I would interpret it. While he does seem to be in breach of Rule 19.357(b) at first glance, it seems he may not have committed an offense. Section (b) may say "don't go into security areas without airport ID cards etc..", but there is a section (g), clause 4 that overrides (b) if you have a valid boarding pass. This allows passengers to go through a secure area to board their flights. Necessary to stop all passengers inadvertently breaking the law when they board. If Gerry and co had boarding passes then they didn't commit an offense under the Rule quoted in the article. Since they were rushing to catch a flight, I assume they did have valid boarding passes. Have a read for yourself and see what you think.. www.caa.govt.nz/rules/Rule_Consolidations/Part_019_Consolidation.pdfA bit late now as Mr. Brownlee has already paid the fine, and a PR disaster if he had successfully challenged it, but strictly legally speaking he may not have committed an offense as accused.
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Post by bounce on Nov 20, 2014 3:10:36 GMT 12
I'm no expert but would imagine there are other rules or definitions that result in the exemption for passengers only applying when in designated areas or following displayed instructions. So by going out an exit door you are no longer complying with additional requirements for boarding pass holders in security areas, and can now be defined as a person without a security card. My guess anyway.
I would also bet a dollar that the director sat down with the chief legal council and the manager for enforcement and wouldn't let them leave until he was convinced the infringement notice was legally bulletproof. Too much opportunity for embarrassment otherwise.
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Post by suthg on Nov 20, 2014 6:02:40 GMT 12
I think the point being that he was "not authorised" to use the side exit path he took - a means of avoiding the delay of scrutineering.
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Post by hardyakka on Nov 20, 2014 19:16:03 GMT 12
It was just a very specific quote of an actual section of the Act. There may be other rules, but that one is what the offense notice was issued for. Maybe he didn't actually have his boarding pass on him (one of his minions may have had it) and they thought "Aha! Gotcha."
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 22, 2014 11:07:48 GMT 12
from Radio New Zealand News....A knock, a noise and minister appearsBy JANE PATTERSON - Parliamentary Chief Reporter | 6:28PM - Tuesday, 18 November 2014Gerry Brownlee speaks to media after the release of the Civil Aviation Authority report. — Photo: Craig McCulloch/Radio NZ.A REPORT into an airport security breach by former Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee has found the official involved was surprised and unsure of what to do but not pressured, Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) director Graeme Harris says.
The CAA investigated after Mr Brownlee avoided a Christchurch Airport security check in July.
The CAA has issued Mr Brownlee an infringement notice and fined him $2,000 for breaching civil aviation rules at Christchurch Airport. Two parliamentary aides have been given formal warning letters for the same offence.
Mr Brownlee today said Prime Minister John Key had told him there was no need for him to resign as a minister following the CAA report.
He offered his resignation to Prime Minister John Key on the day it happened but it was not accepted.
The CAA has not released the full report, saying it wants to protect the identity of witnesses and security information.
But Mr Harris told Checkpoint, given the level of public interest, he would release the relevant parts in the next few weeks.• Listen to Craeme Harris on Checkpoint (3 min 39 sec).What happened nextMr Harris said the report outlined what happened.
“There's a knocking noise on the door, the staff member heard a noise from the other side, swiped the release which is beside the door, so the door then, the moment he swiped it, it unlocked the door,” he said.
“He then moved towards the door to open it but because it had been released the minster and his aides were able to come through it from the other side.”
“The minister makes comment along the lines of ‘look really sorry to do this but I'm in a hurry to catch a plane’ and they walk off.”
“The airport staff member recognises who it is and is a bit taken aback and really pauses and thinks about it for a moment and thinks ‘hang on, this isn't right’, and gets on the phone right away and calls his supervisor.”
Mr Key said Mr Brownlee should maintain his ministerial warrant and his portfolios and he had not, in effect, had any criminal conviction or criminal charge.
“He has had a fine, just like if someone got a speeding ticket or a fine for not wearing their seatbelt and there's no history in Parliament of the Prime Minister of the day taking the ministerial warrant off somebody that just gets a fine.”
Mr Key said Mr Brownlee was remorseful and regretted his actions, and that the infringement notice and "hefty" fine showed no one was above the law.
Mr Brownlee said he had talked to Mr Key about the matter again yesterday, and his leader had confirmed he would stay on as a minister.
“I make it very clear that I serve at the Prime Minister's prerogative and I don't see any right to that position and would certainly have accepted any suggestion that I might no be a minister any further,” Mr Brownlee said.DisappointedIn a statement this morning, Mr Brownlee said he was disappointed with himself for the events which occurred at Christchurch Airport on 24th July.
"Recognising the importance of security matters I cooperated fully with the Civil Aviation Authority, who conducted a fair and thorough inquiry.
“I've learned from this experience and have paid the fine imposed by CAA.”
In Cabinet changes last month Mr Brownlee picked up the Defence portfolio while his former transport responsibilities went to Simon Bridges. Mr Brownlee remained Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister.
Opposition parties called for the full report to be released.
New Labour leader Andrew Little said it was embarrassing that a transport minister should find himself in that position.
“He suffers the problem that I think a growing number of Tory Cabinet ministers suffer now, which is arrogance and hubris, and I think we'll see more of it,” he said.
Since the incident, Christchurch International Airport has begun work on a new exit procedure, which prevents passengers going through the wrong door.
The CAA said it was satisfied the steps taken by the airport were appropriate to prevent any repeat of an incident of this nature until such time as a permanent, one-way turnstile is in place.Related stories:
• Don't blame security officer — Brownlee
• Brownlee keeps job after airport breach
• Brownlee pilot won't be stood down
• PM stands by Brownlee over breachwww.radionz.co.nz/news/political/259615/a-knock,-a-noise-and-minister-appears
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 23, 2014 22:55:45 GMT 12
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 21, 2014 12:46:41 GMT 12
from The New Zealand Herald....Report contradicts Gerry Brownlee's version of eventsBy BRENDAN MANNING | 2:30PM - Friday, December 19, 2014Former transport Minister Gerry Brownlee. — Photo: NZ Herald.THE Civil Aviation Authority's report into former Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee's security breach at Christchurch Airport contradicts the version of events he provided to reporters at the time.
Following the July breach, Mr Brownlee claimed he was given permission by an airport staff member manning a secure exit door to bypass security.
“My words were: ‘We're in a hurry to get on the plane. Can we shoot through here?’ In the end he let us through, but it was all my fault, no one else's.”
However, a heavily redacted CAA report released to media shows the staff member did not give permission for Mr Brownlee and his two aides to bypass security, but was too taken aback to stop them.
The report stated the airport staff member heard knocking at the secure exit door and used his security card to open it so that he may explain to Mr Brownlee and his aides that they were not able to pass through it without first going through security.
However, the report stated that before he had the chance to open the door, it was pulled open by one of Mr Brownlee's aides and the minister and his two staff members walked through.
The airport staff member recollected Mr Brownlee saying words to the effect of “sorry to do this, but we're in a hell of a hurry” before walking off towards the departure gates.
Although the report stated that Mr Brownlee and his aides believed the airport staff member had acquiesced to let them through, that was not the case.
“[The staff member] was so taken aback by what had happened he did not have the opportunity to tell Mr Brownlee and his aides that they were not permitted in that area without first passing through the Avsec (aviation security) security screening point.”
“As the trio talked away [he] immediately used his portable radio to contact his supervisor.”
An unnamed senior sergeant then boarded the aircraft to speak to the pilot once Mr Brownlee and his two aides were already on board.
He explained to the captain that there was an exemption for security screening, but it did not cover Mr Brownlee, to which the captain replied “I'm sure we can trust the Minister of Transport”.
The captain then checked with his supervisor and told the senior sergeant that “he understood there was now a new rule that provided an exemption for ministers and their partners”.
Neither the captain nor the senior sergeant were informed that Mr Brownlee's aides had also bypassed security, and the “new rule” was in fact not correct, the report stated.
Following the breach, Mr Brownlee offered to resign, but the offer was not accepted by Mr Key.
At a press conference last month, Mr Brownlee said although he had not seen the CAA's report, he accepted its findings and paid a $2,000 fine.
Mr Brownlee said the airport staff member was likely to have known who he was, but he did not attempt to use his ministerial influence to get past security.
“I was just not thinking, to be honest.”
The CAA also gave a formal warning to Mr Brownlee's two aides.
The report released today said they were placed “in a position where they felt compelled to follow his instructions as employees, even though they were both aware that they first had to pass through security screening before entering the secure area”.
Comment was being sought from Mr Brownlee and airport authorities.• Brendan Manning is an NZME News Service reporter based in Auckland.www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11376880 from The Dominion Post....Gerry Brownlee security details differBy HAMISH RUTHERFORD | 6:20AM - Friday, 19 December 2014GERRY BROWNLIE walked past a Christchurch International Airport company employee before the man could tell him he had to go through security, a Civil Aviation Authority report shows.
The CAA has finally produced a heavily redacted report into the events surrounding an incident on July 24th when Brownlee, who was then transport minister, bypassed airport security before returning to Wellington.
The report throws into dispute whether Brownlee and two of his staff were given consent to bypass security.
Since the day of the event Brownlee has said he knocked on a security door and asked if he could come through, claiming he was told “okay”.
But the report shows that the unnamed airport emplyee intended to tell Brownlee to go the correct way through security, but was unable to.
The report details how Brownlee ignored advice to go to premium check-in, having arrived at Christchurch Airport just three minutes before the flight was scheduled to leave.
Instead he immediately headed upstairs but instead of passing through security went to doors controlled by the Aviation Security Service (Avsec) and knocked.
The airport employee who manned the doors went to the door to be confronted by Brownlee, who he recognised, and two unnamed officials.
The airport employee “decided to swipe his security card to release the door, open it and explain to Mr Brownlee and his associates that they could not enter the sterile area using that door and would instead have to proceed to the security screening area”.
By the time the airport employee got to the door, one of Brownlee's aides had already pulled the security door open, something Brownlee has never revealed before. The three then walked through the door.
The airport employee claims Brownlee then said “sorry to do this but we're in a hell of a hurry”.
The report adds that the trio then walked passed him.
“Mr Brownlee and his aides considered [the airport employee] had agreed to, or at least acquired in, their entry through the Koru exit door" although the officer "does not accept that”.
When the events came to light, Brownlee told reporters that he had not barged passed security.
“No I didn't barge past security ... I went through a door that I shouldn't have gone through,” Brownlee said.
“We knocked on the door and I said to the guy ‘we're in a terrible hurry, can I go through here?’ He said ‘okay’.”
The report shows that Brownlee and both of his two staff maintained that the airport employee gave consent for the three to pass through the area.
It also shows that the pilot of the Air New Zealand flight which took the trio to Wellington wrongly believed that only Brownlee had bypassed security.
The pilot told the head of security that he was comfortable with the situation as it was the Transport Minister, and that he believed there was an exemption which allowed all ministers and their partners to bypass security. The CAA says this is wrong.
Today's release reveals that there is an exemption for at least one person to bypass aviation security. The report appears to hint that that person is linked to the government, but it does not say who it is.
Brownlee declined to comment.www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/64301981/Gerry-Brownlee-security-details-differ
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