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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 11, 2014 12:07:12 GMT 12
Airborne PM beats Abbott in drag race to Beijing   Today in politics: Tuesday, November 11thFairfax NZ News | 5:00AM - Tuesday, 11 November 2014 Tony Abbott and John Key in Darwin, where they both stopped to refuel on the way to APEC.BOYS and their toys. Trans-Tasman rivalry reached new heights when Prime Minister John Key and his Australian counterpart Tony Abbott parked up on the tarmac at Darwin airport en route to the APEC leaders' summit.
The two leaders' planes took off on a drag race for Beijing, with the Australians attempting to slow Key's 757 with some tactical flying. But age eventually caught up with Abbott's slower 737 and the Kiwis hauled in his lead to land 20 minutes ahead.www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10728150/Today-in-politics-Tuesday-November-11
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 11, 2014 12:55:46 GMT 12
I note Abbott has his luggage with him.
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 11, 2014 13:02:35 GMT 12
Would Key like to take over here? I am sure that there would be a lot who would support that one. I remember a trip I took to Darwin from Adelaide in the 'wheelhouse' of an Ansett 727. TAA 727 took off at the same time and it was a race to the finish. Remember distinctly looking out the pilot's window down to the TAA machine. By clever climbing etc and perfect timing of the call "on descent" the TAA guys were nobbled and we won the beers in the bar that night. Funny how the cockpit crew of our machine ended up with the cabin crew of the TAA aircraft and vice versa.....
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Post by beagle on Nov 11, 2014 16:52:53 GMT 12
Mr Abbott will definitely be looking at bigger Airbus A330 now.
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Post by suthg on Nov 11, 2014 20:15:46 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 11, 2014 20:35:50 GMT 12
On Twitter, TV3 reporter Brook Sabin had a dig |
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Post by suthg on Nov 11, 2014 20:47:55 GMT 12
And i have saved the pic to my Flickr site... our RNZAF 757 in the foreground with the RAAF old Boeing 737 in the background. Gents walking are: Tony Abbott, John Key and Dutch PM Mark Rutte. (Photo I believe taken at Canberra before a flight to Darwin, and a day later to China)  John Key's Transport RNZAF 757 by suthg, on Flickr and landing 15minutes before the RAAF 737 in Beijing after their "race"  John Key and others in Beijing by suthg, on Flickr |
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Post by trimotor on Nov 12, 2014 2:28:57 GMT 12
The 330 cruise speed would only be on par with the 757 anyway..
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 12, 2014 8:20:04 GMT 12
What would Crusher Collins think about these boy racers?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 12, 2014 10:07:06 GMT 12
What would Crusher Collins think about these boy racers? Crusher Collins is irrelevant now....she has been CRUSHED!!  |
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Post by beagle on Nov 14, 2014 11:33:29 GMT 12
The 330 cruise speed would only be on par with the 757 anyway.. I heard most of airbus's products were a bit slower in cruise, true ? |
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Post by juanita on Nov 14, 2014 14:29:11 GMT 12
That would have dented Abbott’s ‘Iron man’ self image.
Thankfully we’ve been spared the sight of his red speedos since he become PM
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Post by trimotor on Nov 15, 2014 5:39:10 GMT 12
Not sure what the 757 cruise speed at ECON would be (or a bit faster), but it's likely to be about M0.8. The 330 is in the same range, typically about M0.81, but without much ability to go much faster with our burning a lot of gas. 757 prob has a slightly greater speed ange above ECOn cruise speed - will check and report back.
727 econ cruise was usually about 0.79, though it was usually flown at 0.80-0.81 with little penalty, though if it was a time on target issue, max cruise thrust would burn about 1/2 ton more fuel an house and you're arrive at top of descent at M.89 or a bit more maybe..
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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2014 16:01:50 GMT 12
pretty sure I was told there was a speed in the vomit comet that was pretty close to a high speed stall which was also close to high speed cruise
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Post by classicman on Nov 15, 2014 17:02:55 GMT 12
Yes typical A330 econ cruise is .81. MMO is .86.
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Post by trimotor on Nov 16, 2014 18:15:42 GMT 12
pretty sure I was told there was a speed in the vomit comet that was pretty close to a high speed stall which was also close to high speed cruise |
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Post by haughtney1 on Dec 5, 2014 2:22:32 GMT 12
All depends on the CI (cost index), typically when I flew them it worked out to between .79-.80, and anything faster than .82 would see the fuel flow up from about 3400-3600kg per hour to about 4000kg or so. The 757's I flew were all EASA spec'ed so VMO/MMO was 340kts/.84, FAA spec'ed was identical to the 767 at 360kts/.86 IIRC. Talking to buddies who flew 727's for 20 years or more, most have spoken of arriving at 10 miles at 330 kts and 3000ft, and of being fully configured and on speed by 500AGL. By all accounts you could smoke most T/p's down the glideslope to about 3 miles.......what a machine  |
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Post by Barnsey on Dec 5, 2014 2:56:28 GMT 12
VMO til 10nm also works on the 777 for when you-need-to-get-it-on-the-ground-quick (uncontrolled fires etc), although you'll probably won't achieve on speed till approx 200ft.
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Post by haughtney1 on Dec 5, 2014 3:47:13 GMT 12
Always a good exercise in the Sim Barnsey  |
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Post by beagle on Dec 5, 2014 16:47:35 GMT 12
on speed  VMO.... Without looking anything up, visual minimum operation ? |
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