jennym
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Post by jennym on Nov 24, 2014 7:54:46 GMT 12
I can't work out how to attach the photo. ![]() Insert Image doesn't work - nor does cut and paste.No Add Attachment button is visible....help? |
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 24, 2014 8:11:05 GMT 12
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 24, 2014 8:11:39 GMT 12
RAAF uniforms are darker than the RNZAF uniforms  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 24, 2014 9:39:40 GMT 12
Well, that is if it is the blue uniform being related to. It may be a tropical khaki drill uniform that is being discussed, we need to see the photo. If you cannot work out the Photobucket system Jenny, please email it to me at dave_daasnz@hotmail.com and I'll put the photo up here for you.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2014 9:00:05 GMT 12
Jenny has sent me through the photo, see below. She mentioned she can see a rising sun badge on his collar, and yes, the badge of the Australian Imperial Forces is definitely there. So I suspect this chap is actually Australian Army, and neither RNZAF or RAAF. Can anyone confirm that the RAAF would not have worn this badge, nor worn collar badges at all, and would have had brass buttons on the forage cap?  |
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 25, 2014 9:21:09 GMT 12
Australian Army only Dave.
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jennym
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Post by jennym on Nov 25, 2014 9:21:03 GMT 12
Would love to identify this chap - For what it’s worth, from Wikipaedia: All ranks of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) are entitled to wear the garrison cap with appropriate cap badge in Service Dress and Flying Dress uniforms.
The RAAF is the only branch of the Australian Defence Force entitled to wear the garrison cap.
..... not to say he couldn't have picked up a cap and put it on for the photo, i guess....
JennyM
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2014 10:04:32 GMT 12
What is a garrison cap? Never heard of that.
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 25, 2014 10:09:11 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2014 10:09:15 GMT 12
The design of this cap is called a forage cap. It was actually a balaclava when unfolded. here is an RAAF forage cap from WWII, note the buttons are not brass as I'd expected but they have symbols on the buttons unlike the forage cap in this photo www.awm.gov.au/collection/RELAWM34728.003/Did the Aussie Territorial Army wear forage caps? Also I noted the file name was MrGrey1940. Do you know his first names? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2014 10:12:01 GMT 12
I think that Wikipedia article you quoted from Jenny is referring to now, not WWII.
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 25, 2014 10:22:00 GMT 12
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jennym
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Post by jennym on Nov 25, 2014 18:48:00 GMT 12
Sadly, we don't know his first name - just that he was known as Curly. Handsome devil. So you think the RAAF wore the rising sun? You are thinking RAAF rather than army now?
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Post by htbrst on Nov 25, 2014 19:24:06 GMT 12
In this thread: rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/16153/anzac-day-stalag-luft-1944I posted a photo of Australian and New Zealand POWs in Stalag Luft III on ANZAC Day 1944 that contains my grandfather and great uncle. While many are unamed, there is a Curley Rayment in the back row. Possibly nothing, but maybe a good lead  Here is the photo, and the names my grandfather could remember:  Back Row: Curley Rayment, Unknown, Snowy Wattnal, Bill Hickson, Bill Harden, Tom Pearce, Unknown, Unknown, Unknown.
Front Row: Whiting, Lamont, Neil Svensen, Noakes, John Rae, Hec Jamieson, Garlick, Unknown.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2014 21:17:36 GMT 12
So you think the RAAF wore the rising sun? You are thinking RAAF rather than army now? No. Not at all. The Australian Flying Corps that Luther mentioned was in WWI, when they were part of the Army. It's not related at all here I don't think, unless this chap was in WWI. A pity there's now known first name. His last name is Grey, right? Not uncommon. With a first name you could search the Aust National Archive site for service records. |
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Post by errolmartyn on Nov 25, 2014 21:37:17 GMT 12
In this thread: rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/16153/anzac-day-stalag-luft-1944I posted a photo of Australian and New Zealand POWs in Stalag Luft III on ANZAC Day 1944 that contains my grandfather and great uncle. While many are unamed, there is a Curley Rayment in the back row. Possibly nothing, but maybe a good lead Here is the photo, and the names my grandfather could remember: Back Row: Curley Rayment, Unknown, Snowy Wattnal, Bill Hickson, Bill Harden, Tom Pearce, Unknown, Unknown, Unknown.
Front Row: Whiting, Lamont, Neil Svensen, Noakes, John Rae, Hec Jamieson, Garlick, Unknown.
'Curly' in the photo is most likely NZ413123 Hilton Digby Ronald Rayment, RNZAF. He was a Hurricane pilot with 238 Sqn and became a PoW in July 1943. Errol |
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Post by jennym on Nov 26, 2014 6:45:16 GMT 12
Yes I have been searching through the national archives and nominal roll and chasing up descendants of every RAAF Gray/Grey with an Adelaide connection (born, enlisted, lived)that I can find . The photo was taken in Adelaide Oct 1940 - with such an early enlistment, that eliminates quite a few of the candidates. But I will now expand the search to Army. So far, no luck with GrEy there but am working through the GrAys in case it was mis-spelled.But I will also check out any Curlies - thanks for above, but we are thinking not NZ.
Jenny
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 26, 2014 7:44:03 GMT 12
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Post by Luther Moore on Nov 26, 2014 7:48:39 GMT 12
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jennym
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Post by jennym on Nov 27, 2014 7:04:08 GMT 12
Yes, that photo is very similar - thanks for sending the link. Yes, i have been searching the nominal roll and national archives and have an A list and a B list now - now to search for descendants. FYO, a few interesting replies came from another forum (ausmilitary.com):
"I can’t say for certain but going by the rising sun collar badge and the picture being marked as being taken in Adelaide it’s still possible that the bloke was Army. There were South Australian CMF Infantry Battalions (along with other CMF units in Australia) who wore the forage cap. It’s possible that he came from a South Australian raised 2nd AIF Battalion who drew its roots back to one of these CMF units where the forage cap was worn for the sake of tradition."
And: "I was of the understanding that the RAAF had a open neck tunic as opposed to the army which had a closed neck with rising suns on the lapels"
And: "Almost certainly Army. As olks and surftoturf have pointed out the rising sun collar badge is Army and not used by the other services. Googling for "RAAF forage cap" shows images with RAAF badges at the front (wearer's) left of the cap in a position that should be visible in the photo if it's a raafie cap."
Thanks for all your help - it has been a bit of a turnaround in this search, you pointing out that he may be army. Your knowledge is really remarkable!
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