jaw
Warrant Officer
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Post by jaw on Dec 3, 2014 17:25:38 GMT 12
& try to find out just who are in fact "exempt" from this zero tolerance regime.. .. Gov't ministers, M.P.s? Other cops? Maybe once a few judges get done..
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 3, 2014 17:41:12 GMT 12
If every single motorist who got ticketed for speeding refused to pay the infringement fee and demanded that it be dealt with in court, within a very short period of time the court system would grind to a total halt and chaos would reign. The police would be completely tied up rostering officers to give evidence in court and as a result, none of them would have any time to be out on the road.
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Post by Calum on Dec 4, 2014 13:17:36 GMT 12
If, as it's been said above, that NZ has the Australian Standards for speedos then here they are
Speedo regulations in Australia
Before 1 July 2006
For vehicles manufactured before July 2006:
• An accuracy of +/- 10 percent of the vehicle’s true speed is needed when a vehicle is travelling above 40km/h. This means if a vehicle is travelling at a true speed of 100km/h, the speedo is allowed to indicate a reading between 90km/h and 110km/h.
• An odometer accuracy of +/- 4 percent is also a requirement. After 1 July 2006
From 1 July 2006 all newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with the following requirements:
• The speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h.
• The speedo must always read 'safe', meaning the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo. So if a vehicle travelling at a true speed of 100km/h, the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. Another way of looking at this is if the speedo indicates a speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.
• There is now no requirement to have an odometer.
From 1 July 2007 All newly manufactured vehicles (excluding mopeds) must comply with these rules.
So if you're car is newer than 2006 the middle requirement means if you drive at the indicated limit on speedo then you always be slower than the actual speed limit. That's how they are going to get you.
Not saying I agree with what they are doing, because I don't. I really doubt a 4 kph makes any appreciable difference to safety
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gtw
Flight Lieutenant
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Post by gtw on Dec 4, 2014 15:41:16 GMT 12
GPS is the only speedo to use
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Post by jeremyflower on Dec 4, 2014 21:00:30 GMT 12
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Post by phil on Dec 16, 2014 19:04:14 GMT 12
And how many more accidents are we going to see because people are watching their speedo and not the road?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 17, 2014 11:05:36 GMT 12
The other issue I see is if all the law abiding people are carefully travelling at 95km/h, the idiots who love to speed will get more pissed off than usual with the slower flowing traffic and will take bigger risks to pass. There are always stupid dickheads on the road who have no regard for the speed limit and put everyone else at risk simply because they feel smug about passing everyone else. They'll have no regard for the lower tolerance.
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Post by horicle on Dec 18, 2014 14:52:05 GMT 12
To me neither issue, Speed Tolerance or Lower Alcohol Limits, is going to be the silver bullet our 'road sleuths' need to deliver the required goal. The speed issue has become all about speed monitoring rather than driving to the conditions. It seems all the unthinking out there are going to drive at THE LEGAL SPEED LIMIT because that is what it is. Then the new alcohol limit is going to save three or five lives per year because that is how many have unfortunately died over past years at that measured level (250 to 400). But what about those who have an accident with no blood alcohol level (and I mean no drunk driver involved in any way). If we booted all those sober drivers off the road what reduction in the accident rate could we expect to achieve. Guesses please.
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Post by saratoga on Dec 19, 2014 14:56:14 GMT 12
If you booted all the sober drivers off the roads,you would have a 100% reduction in the instances of sober drivers being involved in accidents. Though you would then have 100% of accidents caused by drunk,impaired,drugged,distracted careless and/or speeding drivers. Aren't statistics great!
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Post by lumpy on Dec 19, 2014 16:48:12 GMT 12
I know a woman that was pulled over just a few days ago doing 106km/hr . So how much was the fine ?
Nothing , just a warning !
So much for zero tolerance ( unless it suits I guess - but its not really zero tolerance then is it ) ?
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Post by saratoga on Dec 19, 2014 17:07:47 GMT 12
I think the word 'discretion' has been used, it is always an option for Police to apply discretion. Maybe if she gave them some lip and was unco-operative she could have got a fine instead. Personally i don't have a problem with policing to the speed 'limit',i would have an issue if it also applies to speed cameras, as they take 4-6 weeks to notify,so can really only ever be a money grabbing scheme,surely a warning on the road,at the time,would for most reasonable people, have a better deterent affect. Unfortunatley we all suffer due to the actions of the not so reasonable.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 19, 2014 17:10:56 GMT 12
I heard they dropped the planned lower limit due to the outcry. Is this true?
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Post by Peter Lewis on Dec 19, 2014 18:33:12 GMT 12
& try to find out just who are in fact "exempt" from this zero tolerance regime.. .. Gov't ministers, M.P.s? Other cops? Current and potential All Blacks? I know a woman that was pulled over just a few days ago doing 106km/hr . So how much was the fine ? Nothing , just a warning ! And, presumably, if you are a 'looker'.
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Post by suthg on Dec 19, 2014 19:59:40 GMT 12
I would be more worried about 3 handles of beer after work than trying to keep to under 105 as per speedo which as they have indicated is at the discretion of the officer. A "Stop and warning" is a tick in the box for them being active.
But caught over 250mg? BA then you're history - fine and demerits in a big way. BTW, in Tokoroa, the State HW1 passes straight through an edge of town at 60km/hr for 1km, and, just north of town last night, north lane 100km/hr, there was a forced stop and BA check - on SHW1!! Or so I was told...
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Post by lumpy on Dec 19, 2014 20:27:02 GMT 12
I think the word 'discretion' has been used, it is always an option for Police to apply discretion. Im all for " discretion " ( its kind of another way to describe " common sense " , which I like a lot - except that not everybody has it, including police officers ) The fact remains that "zero tolerance " means you get caught 1km/hr over the limit - you get a ticket - every time . ( its pretty much the definition of the phrase , isnt it ) ? I kind of like to think that tens of thousands of my taxpayer dollars havnt been spent on advertising a policy that they dont intend to implement , or never even existed ( but then I always thought it was stupid anyway )
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Post by saratoga on Dec 19, 2014 22:12:09 GMT 12
'Zero tolerance' and in the small print'at their discretion'.
Happens all the time,'rules'or 'guidelines' that when people start believing they are law, become law.Otherwise known as legislation by stealth.See how quickly things will change when a few of the 'minor' speeding fines are challenged. Part of the Police's job is to try these things on,just like taking a prosecution to court,just to test the water.The word of law is rarely the intent of the law.
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Post by lumpy on Dec 19, 2014 22:37:46 GMT 12
The word of law is rarely the intent of the law. Your not wrong about that . In the last week , a judge has fined 2 people where I live $20,000 each for not wearing helmets on their quad bikes ( and its not even illegal ), but also fined a guy $800 for building a bomb ! ( a proper bomb , not something made with match heads and fireworks )
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Post by horicle on Dec 20, 2014 13:02:13 GMT 12
Part of the problem is the poor old police having to do two jobs. Upholding the 'Law of the Land' and enforcing the 'Rules of the Road'. Saratoga is on to it. There is a power of difference between 'rules' and 'laws'. One has a victim (or victims) and the other keeps us even. I note that the new 'social' level of inebriation (250-400) does not make you a criminal, just legally incapable of driving a motor vehicle.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 20, 2014 13:05:00 GMT 12
from The Timaru Herald....Naked cyclist ticketed for helmet failBy SARAH JARVIS and MICHAEL DALY | 12:57PM - Monday, 15 December 2014WORLD NAKED BIKE RIDE 2010: As this pair shows, helmets are important even if clothes are not. — Photo: HAYLEY GALE.A NAKED CYCLIST has been ticketed by police — for not wearing his helmet, not for his lack of clothing.
And despite having apparently been drinking, he wasn't charged for drink-driving either.
The man was stopped on Timaru's High Street at 3.30pm yesterday and Timaru police Senior Sergeant Randel Tikitiki said he wasn't charged with indecent exposure, because that would “depend on what could be seen”.
Tikitiki said the cyclist could also have been charged with careless use of a vehicle, but police opted to charge him with not wearing a helmet.
A New Zealand Transport Agency spokeswoman said there was no legal alcohol limit for cycling.
“But there is an offence of careless use of a vehicle, and as ‘vehicle’ is defined in a way that includes bicycles, it could be used,” she said.
“While impairment on its own would unlikely result in a conviction, impairment combined with erratic driving behaviour — ie weaving all over the road and getting in the way of other drivers — possibly could.”
“There is a maximum fine of $3,000 and the court may disqualify from holding of obtaining a driver's licence for a period.”NAKED CRIMES
- Tauranga naked runner Andrew Pointon received international attention for a successful appeal to the High Court after being found guilty of a charge of offensive behaviour. A woman walking her dog had complained after seeing Pointon, wearing only a pair of shoes, running in a forest near Tauranga in 2011. Police arrested and charged Pointon as he emerged from the forest after another run. He was found guilty in Tauranga District Court of offensive behaviour but appealed to the High Court and Justice Paul Heath upheld the appeal in a decision in 2012. Heath said Pointon was a genuine naturist who had chosen a time of day when it was unlikely children would be on the track. Pointon was not so lucky after being found guilty of offensive behaviour for gardening at his home and mowing the lawn on two dates in 2012. He appealed those cases but this time Justice Heath dismissed his appeal, endorsing the District Court finding that Pointon had known he would cause offence to some of his neigbours but did it anyway.
- Nude cyclist Nick Lowe successfully appealed a conviction for riding his bike naked near Upper Hutt on World Nude Bike Day 2010. Lowe was convicted for offensive behaviour but the conviction was quashed by the High Court. Lowe has run the Coast to Coast naked from the waist down and regularly trained in the buff.
- Hikers walking naked through the bush have caused their share of excitement. The magazine Wilderness has reported on naked men seen on tracks around Wanaka and in the Waitakere Ranges near Auckland, and even believes one of its staff writers came across a man often seen unclothed in the Waitakeres. The man was sitting above a water hole near the edge of Piha's popular Kitakita Falls in December 2012, and said he was just taking a dip. A naked hiker seen on a track near Wanaka in December 2011 was wearing only a backpack, cap and shoes. An international hiking forum rated New Zealand one of the best countries in the world in which to hike naked, partly because the country had a low population and a large area of park land.
- Many New Zealanders appear prone to public nudity if the mood is right, with officials counting 745 participants in a world record attempt for the largest skinny-dip in Gisborne last December, with Rhythm and Vines Festival-goers among those taking part.
- Rugby attracts its fair share of nudists, with streakers at two All Blacks games this year getting plenty of attention. Builder Adam Holtslag admitted a charge of offensive behaviour after taking to the field during a game against England in Dunedin in June. But the incident was mostly memorable for the controversy around the powerful tackle on the streaker by security guard Brad Hemopo, who shortly before had been named in Canterbury rugby's ITM Cup wider training squad. Rose Kupa, who ran onto the park at Napier in September during a game against Argentina, was let off with a warning. She gave All Black Israel Dagg a slap on the bum, although later said she had been aiming for Richie McCaw.
www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/64162524/Naked-cyclist-ticketed-for-helmet-fail
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Post by Darren Masters on Dec 26, 2014 13:12:56 GMT 12
I think they should start looking at making money from those that drive too slow. A real problem in Auckland...
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