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Post by pjw4118 on Sept 28, 2016 16:13:56 GMT 12
Looking through this " aged " post , just remember that the 757 fleet ! was purchased quick smart after our royalty aka Helen Clarke was banned from an Aussie flight because of Air NZ shutting down one of their domestic operators. She had to come home in a specially sent Orion ,it should have been an Argosy.
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Post by macnz on Oct 12, 2016 19:16:48 GMT 12
NZ not alone, Australia just confirmed "after years of deliberations and political hesitancy, the Defence Department has been given the go-ahead to convert a KC-30A air-to-air refuelling aircraft (Airbus A330)into a VIP jet" ...to replace their 2 boeing 737- BBJs. source : www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/come-fly-with-me--australia-gets-its-air-force-one-20161007-grxbbf.htmlHere's a left of field idea : why doesnt NZ lease one and then we can an aircraft for 3 purposes: VIP, refuelling and troop transport? Maybe we should lease two because we could probably save enough (to lease another) on all those overseas fact-finding trips our pollies take by just using one as a bus
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 12, 2016 22:50:03 GMT 12
Why do we need an aerial tanker? All our aircraft that could do air to air refuelling retired 15 years ago.
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Post by vansvilla on Oct 25, 2016 8:06:00 GMT 12
Hehe, 757 replacement could be sooner than was first thought.
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 25, 2016 8:18:21 GMT 12
They aren't particularly old are they, either in calendar terms, or flight hours? They are also more suitable for visiting various Pacific nations than some of the suggested replacements mentioned.
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Post by camtech on Oct 25, 2016 15:00:32 GMT 12
23 years old, I believe. Been in service with RNZAF since 2003.
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Post by beagle on Oct 25, 2016 15:47:10 GMT 12
Hehe, 757 replacement could be sooner than was first thought. nope. will still be done when originally stated.
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Post by beagle on Oct 25, 2016 15:50:02 GMT 12
The Boeing 757 element of the Fixed Wing Transport Forces (FWTF) is provided by No. 40 Squadron RNZAF. The Squadron is equipped with a fleet of two Boeing 757 aircraft and conducts strategic air transport tasks and the provision of air transport aircraft for a range of support services to Government and the community. The tasks include the deployment and transportation of personnel and equipment, VIP transport, aeromedical evacuation and rapid response support to humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations and support to NZDF exercises. They are conducted globally, from Antarctica, throughout the Pacific and within Europe and the USA. No. 40 Squadron provides four B757 crews, usually comprised of a pilot, co-pilot, air loadmaster and between two and four flight stewards, depending on the aircraft configuration. Aircraft Boeing 757-200 Manufacturer Boeing (USA) Power plant 2 x Rolls Royce RB211535E4/4B turbofans Length 47.32m Wingspan 38.05m Height 13.56m Basic weight 57,180kgs Gross weight 115,680kgs Max payload 22,460 kgs Max fuel 43,490L Range 4000 nm (7400 km) Cruising speed Mach 0.8 (850km/h at 10,675m) Fleet History Two Boeing 757-200 were received in 2003. Starting in 2007 both aircraft were fitted with an upper deck cargo door to facilitate an 11-pallet cargo capability, internal air stairs, upgraded engines and flight deck enhancements including full compliance with current global air navigation specifications and standards.
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Post by isc on Oct 25, 2016 19:00:07 GMT 12
TVNZ news 6pm, they say replacement in 2025. isc
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Post by baronbeeza on Oct 25, 2016 19:19:42 GMT 12
I think I can see where the Air Force has gone wrong with it's VIP fleet. Rather than train bright young fellows to do the maintenance we should be looking at having a journalist bimbo on each squadron. No more break downs and no more crashes, - that sounds very promising. Then again when we see how poorly they function at their primary job I guess they wouldn't be expecting too much in remuneration also. I think she is suggesting that if that idea fails then having a senior politician rant and rave should help sort things out quickly also. m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11734917I am going to make sure the next car I buy was owned by a journalist. It would never have failed a warrant or been unreliable..
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Post by errolmartyn on Oct 25, 2016 19:41:39 GMT 12
I think I can see where the Air Force has gone wrong with it's VIP fleet. Rather than train bright young fellows to do the maintenance we should be looking at having a journalist bimbo on each squadron. No more break downs and no more crashes, - that sounds very promising. Then again when we see how poorly they function at their primary job I guess they wouldn't be expecting too much in remuneration also. I think she is suggesting that if that idea fails then having a senior politician rant and rave should help sort things out quickly also. m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11734917I am going to make sure the next car I buy was owned by a journalist. It would never have failed a warrant or been unreliable.. "It is not just one of those things that should be accepted an unavoidable." Methinks she might be better employed checking her writing before sounding off about the air force. . . Errol
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 25, 2016 19:54:12 GMT 12
When the RNZAF used DH89's for VIP transport, sometimes they broke down When the RNZAF used C-47's for VIP transport, sometimes they broke down When the RNZAF used Hastings's for VIP transport, sometimes they broke down When the RNZAF used Hercules's for VIP transport, sometimes they broke down When the RNZAF used Boeing 727's for VIP transport, sometimes they broke down When the RNZAF uses Boeing 757's for VIP transport, sometimes they brake down
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Post by camtech on Oct 25, 2016 21:06:24 GMT 12
When the Govt used Civil Aviation F27 sometimes it broke down.
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Post by isc on Oct 25, 2016 22:18:53 GMT 12
Back in the days of the Hastings, they were for a while known as the best three engine (some times two)flying. isc
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Post by beagle on Oct 26, 2016 4:47:34 GMT 12
If Airbus have put tenders in for replacements for transport options, I expect they have suggested A400, C295W and A321NEOLR
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 26, 2016 7:13:56 GMT 12
Wouldn't 'traded-in' A321s make more sense, given that we will use them a lot less than an airline does? That's why we got second-hand B727 and B757s.
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Post by vs on Oct 26, 2016 12:01:02 GMT 12
Early model A321's do not have very good range.
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Post by beagle on Oct 26, 2016 14:09:09 GMT 12
Wouldn't think there would be too many traded in or second hand A321's around
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 26, 2016 14:31:32 GMT 12
Not even from fleets that are about the start changing over to A321NEOs? If we buy new a) it costs more and b) we end up with a lot of unused airframe life when support gets difficult due to airlines having worn their's out.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 26, 2016 15:03:45 GMT 12
Are these A321's you speak of able to take palleted loads, as required by the RNZAF?
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