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Post by isc on Apr 9, 2015 21:14:49 GMT 12
I would have thought that they would by now be getting about the country, getting stick time, and showing off the new aircraft, or is most the stick time done on the flight simulator. I assume that most if not all the flying is being done by the ones that will be the flight instructors. Omaka being where it is's next to Woodbourne, and a major air show, I would expect more that one, and time on the ground all through the show. "What do I know"  isc |
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Post by dgsg on Apr 10, 2015 0:38:35 GMT 12
Well, the commentator on the day (Sat) said the aircraft couldn't (or aren't cleared to?) land on a grass strip. But the weird thing for me was that it was flown direct from Ohakea to do the three passes, then flown directly back to Ohakea – no stop off at Woodbourne on the agenda – not even overnight Sat so it didn't have to make two round trips.
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Post by komata on Apr 10, 2015 6:26:36 GMT 12
Sad that they didn't display more - or for a longer time; perhaps, because the type is so new, the 'bright and shiny (mustn't get it 'dirty') phase is still exercising its influence?
No doubt by 2017 (by which stage the 'newness' has worn off) they'll be there in quantity (one hopes)?
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Post by scrooge on Apr 10, 2015 7:04:32 GMT 12
Overnight means you'd also need accommodation and ground crew so flying down from ohakea makes some sense. They probably haven't got a full display worked out yet so won't be as low or as detailed as we might like.
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Post by lumpy on Apr 10, 2015 7:37:55 GMT 12
Sad that they didn't display more - or for a longer time; perhaps, because the type is so new, the 'bright and shiny (mustn't get it 'dirty') phase is still exercising its influence? No doubt by 2017 (by which stage the 'newness' has worn off) they'll be there in quantity (one hopes)? It was a bit disappointing that we saw a proper display by an aircraft that was only first flown the day before ( spitfire ) , but a proven aircraft with skilled pilots was only allowed to flypast a couple of times . Having said that , they didnt have to bring it at all , so it was better than nothing ( but only just ) . It does at least leave hopes high for future ( and longer ) displays . |
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Post by suthg on Apr 10, 2015 7:39:34 GMT 12
High pressure narrow tyres do not allow them to land on grass unfortunately.
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Post by camtech on Apr 10, 2015 11:24:21 GMT 12
Appears to be trialling smoke for future displays?
The high pressure tyres may also impact on where (if at all) future Wise Owl camps could be held
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Post by mumbles on Apr 10, 2015 12:33:50 GMT 12
I doubt that air display practices and display clearances are a high priority for the RNZAF T-6C's introduction to service regime. When it's well established in service, fully cleared for all it's operational roles and taskings, then you might see a proper handling display. It's not really a valid comparison to NH799.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 10, 2015 17:03:31 GMT 12
Would that not now be "future Falcons Roost camps"? As for the displays, I am told that the CAF has decreed that handling displays for airshow appearances are now verboten for the new aircraft/helicopters. Even the Iroquois' last ever airshow appearance was very tame and rather dull. They didn't even throw it about or use coloured smoke. I hate to say this, and I may be getting a bit cynical, but I don't know why airshows even invite the RNZAF these days. They take up a chunk of time in the programme and in doing so they do very little these days to either thrill the crowds or promote themselves as an attractive opportunity to prospective young potential recruits. I'd rather see some more interesting acts in the programme than a Beech Texan showing how straight and level it can fly, with smoke on and smoke off. |
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Post by isc on Apr 10, 2015 17:40:48 GMT 12
Don't think they would have a problem putting up the crews for the night at Woodbourne, having seen how many are(not)on station these days, it's like a ghost town. isc
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Post by gibbo on Apr 10, 2015 20:04:01 GMT 12
I doubt that air display practices and display clearances are a high priority for the RNZAF T-6C's introduction to service regime. When it's well established in service, fully cleared for all it's operational roles and taskings, then you might see a proper handling display. It's not really a valid comparison to NH799. Yeah displays probably aren't high priority at the mo, I was disappointed at seeing a 'yawn, yawn' display at Masterton but at least there they were available for close-up inspection. They made the point then that it doesn't matter that the type is in use worldwide etc etc, each operator must go through their own training & SOP creation etc etc.... makes sense! Never to mind - I'm certain that once the aerobatic team is up & running they'll provide a great display. On another semi-related note... I see the April RNZAF news has no article on the reformation of 14sqn on 30th Jan so one must now assume they aren't going to bother... pretty poor effort on someone's part there I feel. I know there's some grumbles about the number being dusted off for trainers, but there's still a proud history etc to tell. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 10, 2015 20:22:55 GMT 12
I don't see why anyone is worried about the squadron number being used for trainers. They previously flew Harvards, Oxfords, two-seat Vampires, two-seat Skyhawks, Strikemasters and Macchis, all advanced trainers just like the Texan II's.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 10, 2015 20:44:13 GMT 12
I don't see why anyone is worried about the squadron number being used for trainers. They previously flew Harvards, Oxfords, two-seat Vampires, two-seat Skyhawks, Strikemasters and Macchis, all advanced trainers just like the Texan II's. Totally agree Dave... more about getting over the loss of the ACF than anything! The T-6C is a very, very capable trainer & whilst some might screw their noses up at simulators, they are the reality of modern pilot training and used throughout RNZAF for many types now. I expect that with the simulators & ground-based learning aids, combined with an all thru wings course on the one type, we'll see some pretty high calibre quality pilots coming thru (no reflection on any past or present bods intended nor implied there guys!) |
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