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Post by bobajob on Jul 19, 2018 22:11:40 GMT 12
Ditto
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Post by vansvilla on Jul 22, 2018 21:09:39 GMT 12
In reply to some of the Defence acquisitions, ie LAV, Frigates, P3 life extensions and so on read this book, Timing is everything. The politics and processes on NZ Defence acquisitions and decision making. Written by Peter Greener. It can be downloaded for free on the interweb. Also deals with the F16 deal and disbandonment of the Strike Force. The Charles Upham saga. Pretty interesting.
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Post by saratoga on Jul 22, 2018 22:12:19 GMT 12
We've wandered off topic again, but while we're here... The final sentence is the telling one.
'New Zealand was not to see F-16s in its skies'..well not ours anyway. When this debacle occurred it was stated that the only jet combat aircraft to fly in NZ skies would be of another nations...friend or foe!
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Post by nighthawknz on Aug 25, 2018 21:57:04 GMT 12
Me being ex Navy...don't know too much about the P-8 Posiden... do you experts think it was a good choice that we bought 4 of them?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 25, 2018 22:17:16 GMT 12
Yes it is the best choice in my opinion. plus it is what the Air Force wanted from all the conversations i have had with No. 5 Squadron personnel. And the four airframes thing is not really an issue, fromwhat I have been told with the major lack of spares for Orions they are lucky if they have that many now able to fly on any given day.
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Post by nighthawknz on Aug 26, 2018 8:14:41 GMT 12
Yes it is the best choice in my opinion. plus it is what the Air Force wanted from all the conversations i have had with No. 5 Squadron personnel. And the four airframes thing is not really an issue, fromwhat I have been told with the major lack of spares for Orions they are lucky if they have that many now able to fly on any given day.I personally was glad tha I personally was glad that they went for them and have argued the point with friends that don't get it and think "waste of money"... and the did not understand the sub hunter/killer part... until I said the P-3 Orions already did that and always have... we are just getting new tech so that the airforce can keep that ability with newer tech. I then had to explain the $ it in2.(something) billion was not just for the planes, as it included training and simulator, some spares, and moving the infrastructure to Ohakea ...
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Post by snafu on Sept 3, 2018 8:42:29 GMT 12
Yes it is the best choice in my opinion. plus it is what the Air Force wanted from all the conversations i have had with No. 5 Squadron personnel. And the four airframes thing is not really an issue, fromwhat I have been told with the major lack of spares for Orions they are lucky if they have that many now able to fly on any given day. Might not be an issue when they are all shiny and new, but eventually they will age and the lack of airframes will be telling. 6 should have been the minimum with 3/4 available at any one time
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Post by mumbles on Sept 3, 2018 19:25:14 GMT 12
Yes it is the best choice in my opinion. plus it is what the Air Force wanted from all the conversations i have had with No. 5 Squadron personnel. And the four airframes thing is not really an issue, fromwhat I have been told with the major lack of spares for Orions they are lucky if they have that many now able to fly on any given day. Might not be an issue when they are all shiny and new, but eventually they will age and the lack of airframes will be telling. 6 should have been the minimum with 3/4 available at any one time Did anyone say something like that when 5 P-3s were chosen to replace 12 Sunderlands (or however many were left servicable of the original 16 when the P-3 purchase was decided)?
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Post by camtech on Sept 3, 2018 20:41:12 GMT 12
At that time, there were only 5 Sunderlands in service, and of those, there were struggles to keep them in the air and operational.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Sept 3, 2018 21:33:41 GMT 12
P-3 NZ4206 was a second-hand aircraft obtained from the RAAF in 1985 when presumably the initial five were found to be an inadequate number.
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Post by camtech on Sept 3, 2018 23:08:44 GMT 12
Over past years, invariably there would be one airframe on major servicing, another locked in an upgrade and often a third on routine servicing, doesn't leave any fat in the system. I assume that with new technology and materials, the down time for the new aircraft will be considerably less, therefore allowing more availability on the flight line.
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Post by madmark on Sept 4, 2018 6:48:20 GMT 12
The P-8 purchase also includes flight deck and rear crew simulators, so that most crew training can take place on the ground. This means that very few flights will be crew trainers compared to now, increasing the availability of aircraft.
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Post by nuuumannn on Sept 4, 2018 18:49:53 GMT 12
A couple of pics of the P-8 in the static at RIAT. P-8 i P-8 ii
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Post by beagle on Sept 4, 2018 22:26:54 GMT 12
And by the time we get ours, they will be in a more modern stance via some upgrade increments.
Just hope they get rid of that stupid looking black nose of the radome.
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Post by isc on Sept 5, 2018 0:10:10 GMT 12
Don't think the black nose will go too soon, the nose cone is coated with a layer of graphite based compound, this prevents static build up, and limits RF reflection, allowing optimum performance of the RADAR. So it's actually there for a reason, although civilian aircraft can use modern non metallic based paint, their weather radar is able to be used well enough, and still look fancy. isc
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Post by stereoimage on Sept 5, 2018 1:38:32 GMT 12
I just saw in the latest 'Line of Defence' Magazine (which is really worthwhile subscribing to by the way) that there is some heavy advertising by General Atomics for the Sea Guardian MALE UAV, obviously aimed at the NZDF's second tier MP/ISR/ELINT capability. It would be a huge leap in capability for sure. Obviously, we would never be able to sell arming drones to the NZ Public, so this 'de-stinged' version would be the way to go. Chances are high though that the capability will be filled via synergy with the FAMC requirement via missionized/palletised systems for whatever platforms get that gig. Also, in Line of Defence, check out the ad's for the KC390/E190-E2 Combo. Having dealt with Embraer before, I don't think they would be advertising if they didn't think they stood a high chance of success. Or, if FAMC is filled by a two-tier solution of platforms, mission kits for the smaller platform (ie: C27J/C295). I also really like the manned and unmanned Piaggio MPA & Hammerhead HH2P as 2nd tier options to support the P8's. Too immature and high-risk for the NZDF though I imagine. www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1984www.mpa.piaggioaerospace.itwww.ga-asi.com/mq-9bwww.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1199defsecmedia.co.nz/data/documents/Line-of-Defence-Winter-2018.pdf
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Post by beagle on Sept 6, 2018 21:17:27 GMT 12
Don't think the black nose will go too soon, the nose cone is coated with a layer of graphite based compound, this prevents static build up, and limits RF reflection, allowing optimum performance of the RADAR. So it's actually there for a reason, although civilian aircraft can use modern non metallic based paint, their weather radar is able to be used well enough, and still look fancy. isc it was just that I have seen quite a few images where whole radome is grey. have stripped and repainted a few herk radomes before and a long winded process.
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Post by isc on Sept 6, 2018 21:59:50 GMT 12
It's just that the graphite is conductive, not allowing static build up, paint with similar characteristics tends to have a metallic base, interfering with the RF transmission, and non conducting paint builds up a static charge. isc
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Post by snafu on Dec 24, 2018 9:20:16 GMT 12
I'm just wondering about the additional SAR capability that NZ desires now that P8 looks to be coming soon, the general consensus was that the King Airs would be quasi SAR birds. But I was thinking that with such an expansive area to cover and along the Pacific islands as well would the Japanese Shinmaya US-2 be better in the role? obviously it cant land in high sea states but has the endurance to stay on station for quite some time www.shinmaywa.co.jp/aircraft/english/us2/us2_capability.html
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Post by saratoga on Dec 24, 2018 10:31:14 GMT 12
With you on that one, time to go back to the heady days of air sea travel. Dave will have a fit though when he sees these posts...
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