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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 19, 2016 12:15:39 GMT 12
What are the strange mysteries of the world. or of New Zealand, that fascinate you the most?
Is it Jack The Ripper, the Loch Ness Monster, UFO's, Bigfoot, pre-Maori colonisation of New Zealand, ghosts, other murder mysteries, etc? What theories do you have.
I know in the past I have been pretty skeptical about aliens being connected with the UFO sightings but as I grow older I am a lot more open to listening to theories and see if there is anything in it. So I promise not to jump all over anyone for their interest in anything here.
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Post by suthg on Jan 19, 2016 13:45:15 GMT 12
The one thing that fascinated me in NZ history was the finding of skeletons of a tall, blonde European styled facial featured race I think around the Taranaki area. The Maori jaw is distinctive in structure and these definitely had the squarer more pronounced Euopean jaw which articulated slightly differently if I recall correctly. Just surprised that someone like the Norwegians or Vikings had reached here at some stage on a long voyage.
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Post by ZacYates on Jan 19, 2016 15:12:32 GMT 12
The only ones that come to mind are Fiordland moose, surviving-to-the-20th-century moa, the Kaikoura Argosy lights/UFO sightings, and the fate of the Boeing & Westervelt (sp?) seaplanes.
Our isolated islands seem to have enough fantastic stories without going into the realms of ufology or cryptozoology, at least in my experience.
As far as the rest of the world goes...What amazing designs are being/have been tested at Area 51? What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Where is L'oiseau Blanc? And for that matter, where's Charles Kingsford Smith and Tommy Pethybridge's resting place? Did Howard Hughes actually marry Terry Moore?
I don't subscribe to the Loch Ness Monster at all...unless it's immortal and eats very little, it makes no sense to me.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 19, 2016 15:51:04 GMT 12
Who is that? The Indian Ocean, I'm sure Terry Moore? Who's he?
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Post by Bruce on Jan 19, 2016 17:04:49 GMT 12
I find Pre-Polynesian settlement theories to be very interesting - however they are also very politically charged!. I've read of a number of theories, each with some form of evidence (some better than others) ranging from Phoenicians, Egyptians, Tamils, Portuguese, Spanish Chinese and even Celts. Not all are credible, but worth weighing up the evidence. Unfortunately those engaged in heritage matters now have the opinion that " we know the Maoris were first, anything that suggests otherwise must be discounted. The exact opposite of normal scientific practice of analysing evidence and changing the theory if necessary to reflect that. Noel Hilliam, an aircraft homebuilder and former driving force of the Dargaville Museum has fallen foul of "Heritage Experts" for raising the subject based on some enigmatic finds he unearthed in his shipwreck hunting activities. The "Kaimanawa Wall" "Waipoua Forest Ruins" and "Maunganui Bluff Observatory" have been poorly investigated and allegations of heavy handed bullying raised. Would be interesting to see from a neutral viewpoint what is actually at those sites...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 19, 2016 18:36:31 GMT 12
There's apparently a large tract of land in Northland where a stone village was discovered and the Government fenced off many acres around it, closing any entry, and even now there are archaeologists working there in secret to determine what it was all about. That must be true as I read it on the internet (Trade Me discussion group from memory), and one of the respondents was a Maori guy who said it was true!
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Post by Bruce on Jan 19, 2016 19:51:06 GMT 12
There's apparently a large tract of land in Northland where a stone village was discovered and the Government fenced off many acres around it, closing any entry, and even now there are archaeologists working there in secret to determine what it was all about. That must be true as I read it on the internet (Trade Me discussion group from memory), and one of the respondents was a Maori guy who said it was true! Yes, Thats the Waipoua forest ruins - very odd goings on around that...
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Post by raymond on Jan 19, 2016 20:34:29 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 19, 2016 20:35:22 GMT 12
Thanks.
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Post by The Red Baron on Jan 19, 2016 20:54:54 GMT 12
A local mystery,what ever happened to Fulton Hogan van man?..... link
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 19, 2016 21:19:12 GMT 12
Ooooh yes, that one is interesting TRB
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Post by shorty on Jan 20, 2016 8:37:50 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 20, 2016 9:54:11 GMT 12
Gawd, they are still using that hoax photo of the elephant's trunk....
One mystery I really love Shorty is your suggestion of the Fokker Triplane in NZ after WWI.
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Post by ZacYates on Jan 20, 2016 13:05:42 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 20, 2016 13:14:05 GMT 12
If he married her there would be a marriage certificate, it cannot be that difficult to work out, If there's no cert, there's no marriage.
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Post by Deane B on Jan 21, 2016 23:22:14 GMT 12
I was talking with my kids the other day about the proliferation of smart phones and other media devices and digital cameras (Go Pros and dash cams etc). In the last few years they have managed to capture amazing footage of meteors, car crashes and other weird and wonderful events, purely because the numbers of these devices around the world increases the odds of capturing something rare. Yet, if anything we see far less of UFOs, Loch Ness, Bigfoot and other phenomena which were more common in the 70s and 80s!!
Myself - I always like to keep an open mind. I believe in UFOs, but that does not mean I think they are from space, simply that they are unidentified. I went to an airshow in Canada in 1993 and saw a F-117 Stealth Fighter in the flesh. I was blown away at how radical it was compared to anything I had seen up to that time. It had only been made public a few years before and yet the prototypes had first flown in the late 1970s. At the same time (1993) rumours were rife about the "Aurora" - a high speed spy plane, which has never been confirmed. Given how secret the F-117 was for so long the mind boggles at what else could have been developed since then.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 22, 2016 0:12:07 GMT 12
I am not really convinced by Nessie, or some of the other things alleged to be out there like Lizardman, Mothman, etc, and I have a hard time believing in the space visitors either. I really don't want to see any of them to believe it either! I have seen two UFO's, which are just that, flying objects that I could not identify. I think now one may have been a drone lit up at bight with flashing lights perhaps, but the other was certainly some freaky lights in the sky back in 1988, but I am pretty sure they were (hopefully) not interstellar travellers. Regarding bigfoot being photographed/filmed though, you'd be surprised Deane. More people are seeing them now than ever as civilisation encroaches further into the wilds of the USA (and the reports of these monsters go back many centuries). Check out the podcast at www.sasquatchchronicles.com/
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Post by mumbles on Jan 22, 2016 12:45:47 GMT 12
What are the strange mysteries of the world. or of New Zealand, that fascinate you the most? Is it Jack The Ripper, the Loch Ness Monster, UFO's, Bigfoot, pre-Maori colonisation of New Zealand, ghosts, other murder mysteries, etc? What theories do you have. I know in the past I have been pretty skeptical about aliens being connected with the UFO sightings but as I grow older I am a lot more open to listening to theories and see if there is anything in it. So I promise not to jump all over anyone for their interest in anything here. When I was younger I was avidly interested in pretty much everything mysterious or supernatural/paranormal, but I'm much more of a skeptic now than I used to be, to the point where debunking things is practically a hobby now, especially when it comes to pop conspiracy theories. That doesn't mean I'm closed minded, just that I'll look into stuff before I take it at face value. I'm still interested in things like ghosts and UFO's and stuff and "the unexplained" as phenomena, even if testable evidence isn't forthcoming - the personal experiences I and people I know have had with what could be interpreted as "ghosts" are very curious That said I think there are a handful of "good" UFO sightings that are yet to be explained (publicly at least), the Kaikoura in 1978, and Iran in 1976 events in particular. The black aviation world is also eternally fascinating. Aurora might have been illusory, but the reveal of the "stealth hawk" used on the Osama Bin Laden raid is evidence that there are still types that are entirely secret in operation or development. Pre Maori colonisation of NZ is interesting, but ocean going technology prior to 1000AD versus the distances involved would seem to mitigate against it. I'd like to think there are still Moa or moose out there in deepest darkest Fjordland, but that's wishful thinking As for Bigfoot, this is fun reading: www.oregonbigfoot.com/database.php
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Post by mumbles on Jan 22, 2016 12:59:14 GMT 12
I was talking with my kids the other day about the proliferation of smart phones and other media devices and digital cameras (Go Pros and dash cams etc). In the last few years they have managed to capture amazing footage of meteors, car crashes and other weird and wonderful events, purely because the numbers of these devices around the world increases the odds of capturing something rare. Yet, if anything we see far less of UFOs, Loch Ness, Bigfoot and other phenomena which were more common in the 70s and 80s!! I think this is significant - a lot of what used to be reported as weird in the absence of a recording or image now turns out not to be in the cold light day when people can see what they actually saw instead of what they though they saw.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 22, 2016 14:43:52 GMT 12
I find the Jack The Ripper case somewhat interesting. The best presentation of evidence I've ever seen was a 1970's BBC six-part series with two of the cops from Z Cars investigating the case. That series inspired the excellent Michael Caine film version, which led in turn to the Hollywood trashed version "From Hell". There has to be still moa in Fiordland otherwise what would the Moehau eat I think one of the biggest mysteries in the world is what happened to the US$2.3 Trillion that was announced as missing from the coffers by Rumsfeld the day before he had all the records blown up that would have led to where the money went.
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