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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 14, 2016 13:55:12 GMT 12
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Post by shorty on Nov 14, 2016 18:38:11 GMT 12
What you do is load the RNZAF field kitchens and catering staff into Andover replacements , fly them into Kaikoura Airport, (they can get in there) and then follow that up with extra manpower, starting with non-tech troops to get things going, oh, wait a minute, we cant do that anymore we don't have any of that stuff, thanks all you pollies
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Post by jonesy on Nov 14, 2016 19:18:12 GMT 12
What you do is load the RNZAF field kitchens and catering staff into Andover replacements , fly them into Kaikoura Airport, (they can get in there) and then follow that up with extra manpower, starting with non-tech troops to get things going, oh, wait a minute, we cant do that anymore we don't have any of that stuff, thanks all you pollies Thats all contracted out now anyway isnt it? At greater expense to Government than having career servicemen ever was....
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Post by shorty on Nov 14, 2016 19:29:53 GMT 12
What you do is load the RNZAF field kitchens and catering staff into Andover replacements , fly them into Kaikoura Airport, (they can get in there) and then follow that up with extra manpower, starting with non-tech troops to get things going, oh, wait a minute, we cant do that anymore we don't have any of that stuff, thanks all you pollies Thats all contracted out now anyway isnt it? At greater expense to Government than having career servicemen ever was.... My point exactly !! Also spare a thought for Dunedin Hospital patients (where I've spent a bit of time of late), their meals are trucked from Auckland to Dunedin (No, I am NOT kidding you), what are they going to do now that trucks can't get through, all the Hospital catering Section has been closed down. The same meals are also the Meals on Wheels for the elderly.
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Post by pepe on Nov 14, 2016 19:31:44 GMT 12
What you do is load the RNZAF field kitchens and catering staff into Andover replacements , fly them into Kaikoura Airport, (they can get in there) and then follow that up with extra manpower, starting with non-tech troops to get things going, oh, wait a minute, we cant do that anymore we don't have any of that stuff, thanks all you pollies Thats all contracted out now anyway isnt it? At greater expense to Government than having career servicemen ever was.... No, they stil have and use their Karcher field kitchens. Perhaps they won't need them with HMNZS Canterbury now on the way. www.facebook.com/RoyalNewZealandNavy/photos/a.390631373008.207738.317342038008/10155547216583009/?type=3&theater
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 14, 2016 19:51:49 GMT 12
Perhaps they won't need them with HMNZS Canterbury now on the way. Which reminds me....talking about HMNZS Canterbury....those dumb journalists on the TV news once again refered to the FRIGATE Canterbury. Talk about dumbf#cks.... ....don't those clowns know the difference between a frigate and a logistical supply ship?
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Post by isc on Nov 14, 2016 20:33:25 GMT 12
Heard on radio, Mr Brownlee lamenting the fact that you can't get a c-130 into Kaikura. isc
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 14, 2016 23:17:20 GMT 12
That's why we have heavy-lift helicopters with ramps
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 15, 2016 6:49:16 GMT 12
I am so sorry to be watching all the destruction that has taken place and the loss of life. I hope that aid gets to everyone who needs it and fast. We very, very rarely have earthquakes on this side of The Ditch and when they occur they are not of the magnitude and severity of those experienced in NZ. There have been a few biggies but thankfully they are very few and very far between. My thoughts to all.
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 15, 2016 6:56:55 GMT 12
I am hoping that the RAAF has a few C.17s on the way with MRH.90 on board to assist.
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Post by madmac on Nov 15, 2016 7:15:01 GMT 12
They are just lucky Kaikoura airport still exists, given the tsunami risk . Sounds like a case to lobby for some government money to improve or build new regional airports.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 15, 2016 7:24:12 GMT 12
Closest thing to international assistance I've seen mention of is the Chinese Government chartering a helicopter to ferry their nationals out of Kaikoura (a tourist town). The absolute numbers of residents in the worst affected area is fairly small, and a single-lane road link should be established shortly. HMNZS Canterbury is en route to Kaikoura (with 2x landing craft), we haven't asked for the Singaporean LPD on exercise off Auckland to help out.
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Post by delticman on Nov 15, 2016 7:43:35 GMT 12
Woodend will be the place for helicopter spotters today.
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Post by suthg on Nov 15, 2016 7:47:11 GMT 12
They are just lucky Kaikoura airport still exists, given the tsunami risk . Sounds like a case to lobby for some government money to improve or build new regional airports. The West Coast too will be very vulnerable in a similar situation. Air would be the main route for any urgent traffic and food deliveries. Let alone power generation which would need heavy lift for diesel generators. For Kaikoura, SH1 won't be open I would say for 3 months, similarly for the rail line.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2016 8:35:56 GMT 12
Why is Kaikoura's airstrip unusable by C-130? Is it too short or is it damaged?
The Hercs could surely airdrop in supplies if they're needed.
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Post by delticman on Nov 15, 2016 8:49:08 GMT 12
It's great that we have so many helicopters available, they are talking 50 today to get the loopies out to Woodend, I bet none of them are flying in empty.
Kaikoura may be cut off from the outside world but it's certainly not remote.
Just hope for better weather over the next couple of days.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2016 9:01:35 GMT 12
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Post by ZacYates on Nov 15, 2016 10:09:51 GMT 12
From the Stuff.co.nz liveblog: Prime Minister John Key says the USS Sampson (US Navy site link) vessel has arrived in New Zealand early and will help with the transport of people stranded in Kaikoura. There are two helicopters on board the ship(Wikipedia link), in the country to mark the Navy's 75th anniversary, and will head to earthquake-damaged areas to evacuate trapped people. The navy vessel also has a P3-Orion aircraft onboard* that will team up with our own to survey damage in the South Island. ** That is so cool to see. Bravo USN. In spotter language, Wikipedia says the Arleigh Burke class (of which Sampson is one) carries two MH-60R Seahawks. *Something tells me no ship in US service has a P-3 onboard, unless it's in bits? EDIT - they just posted this correction**: "Sorry - just to clarify, that American P3 Orion is not onboard the USS Sampson. The US are simply flying one over to use in addition to our own one and the two helicopters onboard." Again, go USN! **Another correction which some here would be glad to see: "As many commenters are pointing out, a P3 Orion would definitely not be onboard a Destroyer. Apologies for revealing my ignorance."
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 15, 2016 11:28:21 GMT 12
To download a large-sized poster from USGS displaying detailed information about Sunday night's earthquake, CLICK HERE and look for the links. You can download the poster as either a JPG or PDF file.
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chis73
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Post by chis73 on Nov 15, 2016 14:07:21 GMT 12
Thinking medium term, it sounds like it will take months to repair the road & rail links ( see NZ Herald story here). Am I correct in thinking there is no alternative Picton-Christchurch rail route? Is it time for some old-school transport solutions (mainly pre-WW1, perhaps pre-1960s) - I'm thinking, how about we rebuild a coastal shipping network. Charter (heck even purchase) some smallish coastal (low draught) freighters. See this NZ Journal of History piece ( pdf) for how it used to be done back in the day when the road & rail network wasn't as good. It would relieve the Lewis Pass road of all the container trucks, plus it's probably cheaper to move bulk freight by sea anyway (even the father of economics Adam Smith said so). You could resupply Kaikoura from Lyttelton relatively cheaply by just constructing a new pier. Such a solution could be useful for the still-damaged (2012) Napier-Gisborne rail line as well. I understand there is a serious log problem (a backlog?) at Wairoa.
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