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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 4, 2019 9:23:40 GMT 12
If you had space/permits for only four aircraft ( regardless of size) to show the milestones of aviation in NZ what four would you pick?
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Post by flyinkiwi on Jul 4, 2019 10:08:17 GMT 12
Richard Pearce's plane
Kingsford Smith's Southern Cross
Cliff Tait's Miss Jacey
Fletcher FU-24-954
Do we need to provide a rationale?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2019 10:15:36 GMT 12
A real tough one to narrow down four
de Havilland DH82 Tiger Moth: (Training, GA recreational flying, backbone of Aero Clubs, RNZAF, Topdressing, Airshows, Tourism)
Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawk/Warhawk: (it's war record as a defensive and offensive fighter-bomber, Warbirds)
Douglas C-47 Dakota: (RNZAF transport, airlines - internal and international, topdressing, tourism, parachuting, Warbirds, deer recovery)
Cessna: (of any model - because it is the NZ media's go-to plane for everything)
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 4, 2019 11:29:04 GMT 12
Richard Pearce's plane Kingsford Smith's Southern Cross Cliff Tait's Miss Jacey Fletcher FU-24-954 Do we need to provide a rationale? It's Pearse, not Pearce, but I certainly wouldn't class it as a milestone. Errol |
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Post by Brenton on Jul 4, 2019 11:37:29 GMT 12
Tiger Moth , Kittyhawk , Harvard are all important for NZ's 2WW effort but there's a much bigger time span than that. 4 planes is just too hard.
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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 4, 2019 11:37:46 GMT 12
What about a 737 ?
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Post by WayneB on Jul 4, 2019 12:07:11 GMT 12
Tiger Moth, P40, Fletcher and Skyhawk in my time.
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 4, 2019 12:16:43 GMT 12
Yep, I thought it would represent the milestone of widespread air travel becoming available to a significant portion of the population. Nowadays even covers trans-Tasman, so a good symbol. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2019 12:32:16 GMT 12
I almost said the DH60 Moth to begin with because it started the Aero Club movement which got so many people involved in civilian flying - but I changed to the DH82 as it did the same thing a little later and did so much more as well.
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Post by Bruce on Jul 4, 2019 13:46:34 GMT 12
Shorts S30 Empire Flying Boat - connected NZ to the rest of the world by air
DH Tiger Moth - Civil and military trainer and topdresser - at one stage every pilot in NZ would have flown one
Douglas DC-3 / C47 - a true multi role workhorse
Fletcher Fu24-950 - A Kiwi workhorse.
Limiting to 4 is a little unfair as I had to skip machines like:
Walsh Brothers Farman Wright (as it started everything...)
Avro 504K
DH60 Moth
Fred North's Tui special
P40 Kittyhawk
DH Vampire
DH Fox Moth
Boeing 737
Douglas DC-8
Skyhawk
C130 Hercules
P3 Orion
UH1 Iroquois
Hughes 500
Cessna 172 etc....
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jul 4, 2019 22:37:32 GMT 12
DH60
Short Empire
Fu24
Cessna 172
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jul 5, 2019 9:28:51 GMT 12
Only 4 makes it very difficult, but for me these rate high on the list of candidates as well:
CT4, Airtourer
C180
Lockheed 10
PA18 Cub
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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 5, 2019 11:41:29 GMT 12
OK lets allow six ( the council has extended its permit !!) and what no helicopters , I would have thought their introduction had a very big impact.
So maybe DH 82 , C47 , 737 , 172, Hughes 500 ,767 or DC10 or C130
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 5, 2019 11:44:59 GMT 12
In that case:
Tiger Moth
C-47
P-40
UH-1H Iroquois
Cessna 172
Boeing 747
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Post by Bruce on Jul 5, 2019 12:46:04 GMT 12
I would add the C172 and Hughes 500 to my original 4 then...
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Post by Brett on Jul 5, 2019 13:33:28 GMT 12
Howard Wright 1910 Biplane "Manurewa". - First aircraft to fly in NZ (officially...)
Bleriot XI-2 "Britannia". - First Government/military aircraft to fly in NZ.
Ryan B-1 Brougham G-AUNZ "Aotearoa". - First aircraft to fly the Tasman, thereby linking NZ with it's neighbour by air. Plus having it in the hangar would answer the questions about where it ended up.
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Tr.IXc ML407 G-LFIX. - Served with 485 (NZ) Squadron, first aerial victory on D-Day, has a back seat so I can go for a flight, plus I just like Spitfires.
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Post by ZacYates on Jul 5, 2019 13:57:26 GMT 12
I've seen a couple of lists pretty much covering what I'd have, and I haven't posted in this thread because I'm worried I'll end up arguing. That said. In that case: Tiger Moth C-47 P-40 UH-1H Iroquois Cessna 172 Boeing 747 I can't get my head around the UH-1H being the helicopter choice. We've had perhaps 20 H models (and maybe 10 max of the other variants from 204 to 214) and I'd agree it's significant in terms of what the RNZAF examples did in service, but Id be much more inclined to go for another, civilian type - the few civilian UH-1H/205s (I can think of three or four) haven't done that much for New Zealand, have they? EDIT: Sorry, iconc is a bit broader than what I was thinking. UH-1H does make more sense now. I misunderstood. But even as a milestone, as Peter said... |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 5, 2019 14:23:35 GMT 12
The RNZAF's Iroquois is in my opinion definitely both iconic and a milestone type.
Iconic because generations of New Zealanders recognised that distinctive sound and the shape, ad they knew it was the Ar Force )or the Army). other helicopters are much of a muchness to non-aviation minded folks. But the Iroquois stood apart.
Milestone in that it was the first heavy lift helicopter in New Zealand. It revolutionised the way the RNZAF did things,they were able to tackle problems that they never could before from mountain and bush and seaborne rescue, to erecting infrastructure, to conservation work, to warfare tactics, to naval co-operation, etc. And the Iroquois revolutionised the way our Army operated and trained and went to war too. And when did anyone ever do the airshow car drop before the Iroquois came on the scene??
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Post by isc on Jul 5, 2019 14:46:14 GMT 12
My pick for today; DH 82A Tigermoth
DC-3/C-47
CT-4/Airtourer
Fletcher/all versions
C-180/185
C-188 because was there when they first started work in NZ.
isc
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Post by hardyakka on Jul 5, 2019 14:51:40 GMT 12
Yep, I thought it would represent the milestone of widespread air travel becoming available to a significant portion of the population. Nowadays even covers trans-Tasman, so a good symbol. The 737 also signalled NZ's big move away from "Mother England" as the default supplier of airline hardware into the jet age. As far as Air New Zealand goes, we don't have 737s plying the Tasman route anymore. It's Airbus all the way. |
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