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Post by slackie on Jul 7, 2008 9:19:24 GMT 12
Hailing from Palmerston North (originally) myself I've always maintained that Wellington had windy DAYS whilst Palmy has windy MONTHS. This video show just how windy WN gets... HINT: watch the nosewheel!! nz.youtube.com/watch?v=0vdc9Ll8OfM
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Post by FlyNavy on Jul 7, 2008 9:30:51 GMT 12
Wow! Was that just the wind doing that? Very unsafe. What precautions are taken with chocks and the like in these windy conditions? Must not be good for the air bridge either. Sheesh.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 7, 2008 9:41:48 GMT 12
Sheeeee-it!!
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Post by slackie on Jul 7, 2008 9:43:49 GMT 12
What's really impressive is the speed at which the groundies moved...never seen them shift that fast before!! And is the guy at the front trying to stop it??
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jul 7, 2008 10:29:46 GMT 12
Far canal! Lucky noone was in mid-stride on that air bridge into the aeroplane.
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Post by sniff on Jul 7, 2008 10:50:21 GMT 12
All I have got to say is: CHOCKS!
Why do we have to keep relearning the lesson?
...and I mean mainwheel ones, not pissant nosewheel chocks for fairweather airports.....
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Post by sniff on Jul 7, 2008 10:53:14 GMT 12
Far canal! Lucky noone was in mid-stride on that air bridge into the aeroplane. I hope the guy running up the stairs has his wits about him, if he is heading for the flight deck. ;D
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Post by sniff on Jul 7, 2008 10:54:09 GMT 12
and finally, another reason not to fly PB
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Post by globemaster on Jul 7, 2008 20:08:13 GMT 12
Wheel Chocks would be pointless in this situation as they only stop the aircraft going fowards or backwards not left/right. Boys on the ground are supposed to keep an eye on the nose wheel extension to stop the aircraft becoming tail heavy, Piss simple. From what Ive heard there was a gale of a southerly wind and being quite tail heavy a gust struck the tail causing the swing. Some ground equipment apparently struck the aircraft resulting in some coin spent by the ground agent.
If you dont mind me asking, Whats wrong with PB? Ok the carrier has no free food/drink but most importantly has some of the best super hot FAs who are incredibly enthusiastic about their Job compared to Air NZ and Qantas. From my experience most other airlines have some massive bloke with a giant grin. Cheers
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Post by slackie on Jul 8, 2008 9:36:44 GMT 12
Some background on this. The main wheels weren't chocked, the parking brake wasn't on and the front of the plane was unloaded before the rear, also the wind was gusting more than 30 knots. The pilots tried blaming ATC for this happening! ATIS was reporting "WIND.....gusting 40KTS".
I'd blame the controller too [for not setting the park brake]....he should have noticed that!!!
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jul 8, 2008 9:43:28 GMT 12
So what is the maximum wind speed for a 737 then, before it has to be parked into wind? And if this happens, how do they unload the pasengers and cargo in those conditions? And is it procedure to always use the park brake on a 737, given that the turn around is not very long and the brakes can bind as they cool?
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Post by globemaster on Jul 8, 2008 17:22:23 GMT 12
The procedure we use for 737s, 777s, A340s for the arriving aircraft are to chock the front wheels, plug in the headset and confirm to the crew "chocks are in-place, cleared to release park brakes". Joe's spot on, Its to stop the brakes becoming sticky and let them cool down. After a period of time the crew will re-engage the park brake. WLG boys shouldve still applied procedure and only taken the front chocks out when all is clear and the aircraft is ready for pushback. This by far isn't the first time Welly ground crew havent gone by the book. I understand an Investigation is being completed though I can only imagine the outcome. PBs policy is to only chock the rear wheels for an over-night tie down Cheers
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Post by haughtney1 on Jul 10, 2008 6:05:34 GMT 12
I know on our 767's and 757's that the limitation on opening the cargo doors is 40kts, but thats more for crew safety. It looks like it was one hell of a gust!
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Post by chrisnpl on Jul 14, 2008 1:05:01 GMT 12
Maybe they should chock the mainwheels too anyway, if it's going to be as windy as that! Just as well everyone got out of the way in time...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 14, 2008 1:20:36 GMT 12
Has anyone ever been killed in NZ in tarmac incidents like this one where the aircraft suddenly moved? The clsoset I can think of anyone coming to harm on a tarmac (not counting those who've walked into spinning props and there have been a few of them) was a nice young bloke from Wigram who lost a leg at the knee thanks to stepping behind a forklift on the Harewood tarmac just as it decided to drive backwards. Nasty, but he recovered and continued to work as a supplier which I really admired him for.
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Post by vs on Jul 15, 2008 20:56:57 GMT 12
You have to love Wellington although I think Invercargill an be worse when to comes to exciting landings. The thing that used to amaze me about Wellington was the differance between the wind speed at the North and South ends of the runway. The Metro operation I was involved in had a max wind speed of 55kt in Wellington. During Spring, 40kt plus is the norm!
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jul 15, 2008 22:07:03 GMT 12
It certainly is one of the more exciting aerodromes isn't it. I would rate Palmerston North as being windier and generally more turbulent on a more regular basis.
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Post by Citabria on Jul 16, 2008 13:07:41 GMT 12
Looks to me like they were just about to push back... note the towbar attached.... Normally that sort of thing only happens to me as a pax... Just get on and all set to go and then......................... ............................ ............................ Sorry folks we have a technical issue and your flights been cancelled...
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Post by chrisnpl on Jul 17, 2008 2:38:17 GMT 12
... and then there's the cross-winds at New Plymouth...
The runway has been fixed up a bit which is a shame, it hadn't been done since opening in 1966, and I used to rather enjoy the bumpy take-offs! You still swing off down the runway though...
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Post by stu on Aug 8, 2008 9:06:34 GMT 12
Perhaps the media should read this forum on a regular basis From the Stuff website today (just over a month since it appeared on here I may add).... www.stuff.co.nz/4648269a34.htmlPlane blown away from airbridge (+video)Stuff.co.nz | Friday, 08 August 2008 A video has emerged of a Pacific Blue plane blowing away from an airbridge as passengers were getting off the aircraft at Wellington Airport.
The incident happened in June but details about the incident have only just been revealed.
The video shows a big gap between the Boeing 737, which had 180 passengers on board, and a drop of about three metres to the ground.
The MetService said winds at the time were gusting at 42 knots, or 78km per hour.
No one was hurt in the incident. The Civil Aviation Authority is investigating.
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