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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2007 16:45:38 GMT 12
Here's a pop quiz question:
- When were aerobatics first performed in New Zealand?
- What aircraft?
- Who was the pilot?
- What was the venue?
- What was the occasion?
The first person to answer all five questions correctly gets to then pose their own pop quiz NZ aviation question to the rest of us. Good luck.
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Post by Bruce on Aug 14, 2007 17:55:33 GMT 12
Largely at a guess:
1910
Coudron
Will Scotland
Lancaster Park Christchurch,
Canterbury A&P show ?
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Post by beagle on Aug 14, 2007 18:01:00 GMT 12
5 september 1917
Cauldron biplane
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Post by beagle on Aug 14, 2007 18:02:57 GMT 12
oops finger trouble
5 september 1917
cauldron bi plane
Cecil Hill
Sockburn
Public display..... first wings and wheels, hehehehe
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2007 18:32:18 GMT 12
No and no. Not aerobatics. Those planes only did circuits.
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Post by beagle on Aug 14, 2007 18:44:43 GMT 12
sorry Dave but is a loop not counted
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Post by beagle on Aug 14, 2007 18:50:38 GMT 12
ok, try this
1st Feb 1919
CAC Bi plane
cecil hill
Riccarton Race meeting
it was his last as he crashed performing a second loop
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2007 19:08:51 GMT 12
Hmmm. I guess a loop is technically an aerobatic manouvre. My source must be wrong.
Well, I had it as:
- When were aerobatics first performed in New Zealand? - 4th of September 1919
- What aircraft? - Bristol F2B Fighter H1558
- Who was the pilot? - Captain Don
- What was the venue? - Sockburn Aerodrome
- What was the occasion? - The first test flight of the aircraft, NZ's first military aircraft with offensive capability.
I got this from a profile of the Bristol Fighter H1558 on an RNZAF Museum News leaflet by D.P. Woodhall. It states "... he climbed to 1000 feet and then performed the full repertoire of aerobatics."...and..."This occasion would of course have been the first on which aerobatics were performed in New Zealand."
So I'll concede the Beagle has it. Right, now your turn to stump us.
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Post by beagle on Aug 14, 2007 19:11:54 GMT 12
oh my god
anything nz aviation related
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Post by Peter Lewis on Aug 14, 2007 21:37:37 GMT 12
If you define a single loop as 'aerobatics' (I would) then beagle is correct.
The CAC biplane was a locally built two-seater powered by a 80hp Anzani. Similar to a Sopwith Tabloid. Said to be fully aerobatic, but given that the crash was caused by structural failure, maybe they were being a bit optimistic. It had a very short life, with its first flight on 17Jan19, and the crash on the 1st February. C M Hill (an Englishman) was of course the Canterbury Aviation Co. first instructor.
Dave's F2B would have been the first full repertoire of aerobatics.
Good going, beagle.
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Post by beagle on Aug 14, 2007 22:11:16 GMT 12
In 1959, the DC-6 was taken off the trans tasman route, but between Dec 1960 and March 1961, they were reactivated and used again.
What was the reason.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Aug 15, 2007 12:38:28 GMT 12
The three new Lockheed Electras that had been delivered to replace them were withdrawn from service pending investigations into midair breakups of others of the type while operating in airline service in the US.
"On September 29, 1959, a Braniff Electra which was en route from Houston to Dallas mysteriously broke up in flight over Buffalo, Texas. All 28 passengers and six crew members were killed.
Just under six months later, on March 17, 1960, an Electra operated as Northwest Orient Flight 710, en route from Chicago to Miami, Florida, broke apart in flight over Perry County, Indiana, crashing in a farm field eight miles east of Cannelton. All 63 people on board were killed (57 passengers and six crew members).
NASA and Lockheed engineers eventually determined that the engine mounts allowed too much precessional movement of the propellers at a critical frequency which allowed "whirl-mode" aeroelastic phenomenon, "flutter" in flight. This flutter, by pure chance, occurred at the wings' natural resonant frequency, which further excited the harmonic oscillations, which increased the wing flutter, that eventually led to separation of a wing from the fuselage. The engine mounts were redesigned, and the wing stiffened so the problem was solved by 1961."
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2007 13:19:56 GMT 12
Amazing - I'd not heard of that. Did the Electra go into service before or after the Orion?
Looks like maybe you've won that round Peter but we'll wait for Beagle to confirm it.
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Post by beagle on Aug 15, 2007 16:03:40 GMT 12
he's good, but to see how good he was, there was a kiwi involved with the engineering side of things, infact I thought it wa shim who actually figured out what was going on, rather than whom you have mentioned.
Dave yes the lockheed L188 did fly before the Orion. It first flew in 1957 then started being delivered to airlines in 1958, the orion first flew at the end of 1959 remanufactured from a L188 and the first true Orion flew in 1961
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2007 16:28:32 GMT 12
Ah, so the Orion is like the Hudson, developed froman airliner and surpassed the former in service life.
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Post by beagle on Aug 15, 2007 16:31:30 GMT 12
yes
ok then
what other military aircraft is derived from an airliner
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2007 16:58:59 GMT 12
Hey, it's Peter's turn to ask the question!  But there are probably a few Boeing variants, 707 and 737 and 747 have all been militarised, as well as our own 727 and 757 |
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Post by beagle on Aug 15, 2007 17:08:58 GMT 12
I was thinking of them being properly militarised, not just a coat of paint.
ie, nimrod.
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Post by twilight on Aug 15, 2007 18:41:29 GMT 12
yes ok then what other military aircraft is derived from an airliner Avro Anson? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2007 19:18:00 GMT 12
Dakota for sure. Also DC-2
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