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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 9:54:48 GMT 12
I also agree that the large diorama had a bit too much going on so to me did not really tell a story like Wayne's two models. The large model however would have impressed the general public and especially the kids voting which would have bumped it right up there, and I do recognise that a lot of skill and time has gone into it.
I really like Wayne's water and the grassy bank. I think that one would have won if it was in a 'rivet counter' style competition.
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Post by piperguy on Nov 10, 2008 9:57:37 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 10:22:33 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 10:54:03 GMT 12
Here are the trophies that the model display organiser Rob Pinfold handmade. He did a very nice job. The winners get their names engraved and the trophy coes back for next year's competition. This desert fort was 1/72, and this photo was taken before it was fully set up but it shows the shear scale of it. Made by the same guy who made the winning trench scene I believe:
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 11:47:55 GMT 12
Bruce mentioned: More food vendorsA commitment was made to the Cambridge Lions organisation that they will be the sole caterers for the event. This was for several reasons, one is other vendors who do such events that approached us expected to take all the profits they made without anything coming back to the event, whereas the Lions do give a percentage back to help fund the event. People do not have any idea how much it costs to run a large event like this and every little bit helps. Also the Lions are absolutely brilliant, well organised, totally trustworthy and fully community spirited. if they say they are going to do something, they'll do it. Not all commercial vendors could be afforded such compliments. The rugby club were also allowed a sausage sizzle stall but that is good because we're using their venue. Personally I didn't find any problem with the food in terms of not being enough vendors or enough variety. The Lions had a well organised system and I thought they did a great job. More rubbish binsThis I agree on. I don't know what happened there, something fell down in the huge system of organisation. I will certainly be raising that at the debrief if no-one else does. Vehicle parade needs to be closer to the crowd somehow. The crowd can get right up to the roadway if they want to, and many did behind the stand and at the northern and southern end of the field (I walked right round the perimeter track where they paraded and had to push through crowd lined up to see the vehicles in places). If they want the crowd can walk all the way round too, and at the eastern side of the field there is no barriers even , but most don't go over there. We have to keep the vehicles on the perimeter track simply because many of them are very heavy and some of them are tracked, and they would rip up the ground if they were fed along in front of the stand. We have a commitment to the rugby club that we will ensure the grass is not ripped up as best we can. It would be silly to do so just so people in the grandstand don't have to get off their bums. The other thing is all weekend when the vehicles were stationary the public were welcome to walk right up to all of them unimpeded, and some were even allowing people to climb in, so I think overall the public gets up close and personal more than some shows allow. Vehicles need labels to explain what they are (previous years had better labels / display boards)I see the point there but I think this is a matter for the military vehicle collectors themselves to take care of. There is no way we as the committee will be paying to have signs made. We never know which vehicles are actually turning up on the day till they arrive. Plus we have to spend thousands of dollars on signage as it is due to all the PC bullshit and other reasons, so we certainly won't be forking out for the military vehicles. However I will pass on this comment in the hope our military vehicle representative will take it back to his guys to pass on. We do welcome any comments and suggestions, and criticism for that matter. But nothing is ever as simple as it seems, believe me. A lot of the stuff behind the scenes can be absolutely exasperating. Thanks for the feedback though. Here's my touched up version of the big bang:
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 10, 2008 12:01:40 GMT 12
Was the EPA informed that so much smoke would be generated by the artillery displays; and has the organising commitee undertaken a carbon credit buy-out to carbon neutralise the Armistice Day event? ;D
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Post by Bruce on Nov 10, 2008 12:13:46 GMT 12
Fair comments Dave, and yeah I have a fair idea what goes on behind the scenes for this sort of thing. I guess my comments about the vehicle parade were largely becuase no one announced where the vehicles would actually run, which meant that for a long time people stayed in the stand expecting them to come by in front of them. Obviously you dont want to put a 64 tonne tank across a freshly grassed rugby field, but many in the crowd didnt realise that. by the time people realised and moved toward the perimeter track, the parade had nearly finished and everyone ended up all squished together by the cadet displays. I heard a few mumbles from the crowd about that, which I why I raised them. Certainly the eastern side of the main arena was under populated, which had its drawbacks for the flying display as well. I was asked if the aircraft could centre their display in front of the Grandstand, which for safety reasons wasnt possible. From my airshow experiences, moving crowds into appropriate places is like herding cats, so there isnt an easy fix! The Lions club certainly did provide good food in an efficient manner, however maybe it was the location that didnt work too well. The area at peak times it was very crowded around thier caravans, and it wasnt helped when everyone came through there when they realised they had to move to see the vehicle parade. They arent big issues, and could easily be resolved with minor layout changes etc for next time.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 12:37:48 GMT 12
Cheers Bruce. I'm happy to pass all the comments on. I think the vehicle parade tricked even us involved as it went the opposite direction this year and there was alittle confusion to start with. Ronnie on the microhone can really only let the people know stuff when he's been told himself so yues there was a little bit of communication breakdown there. There's always room for improvements in these events and things get smooter every year hopefully. We are slowly compiling a manual on how to run the event so it's smoother each time.
Craig, we don't need all that red tape nonsense, we have a National government now.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 12:46:02 GMT 12
A couple more stunning models: USS Missouri on the pond, I think this was 1/72nd scale And a 1/35th German self-propelled gun
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 12:58:37 GMT 12
Desert Storm in a Teacup This one was called, from memory, 'Maybe dogs don't like chips'
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 10, 2008 13:52:13 GMT 12
This one was called, from memory, 'Maybe dogs don't like chips'
I think it was "Maybe he doesn't like chips?" - note the barely-visible Pringles in front of the dog.
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Post by carl35 on Nov 10, 2008 14:07:09 GMT 12
I don't suppose anyone has any photos or even video of the flying displays? The one photo of the tiger looks fantastic! I would have loved to be there - maybe next year.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 14:11:57 GMT 12
I took a couple of crappy photos of Dave's Tiger Moth on Saturday but they're not much chop. I did video the diaplays on Sunday and hope to get them edited into something someday soon.
Welcome to the forum Carl35.
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Post by carl35 on Nov 10, 2008 14:22:41 GMT 12
Thanks Dave - like most people trying to get to everything you want to is impossible! Would love to see the footage though one day if possible - hard to pick a favourite out of a thunder mustang, tiger, pitts or a yak!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 14:30:58 GMT 12
For me the Thunder Mustang is the favourite aircraft but in terms of the displays on the weekend I think Dave's Tiger Moth display on the Saturday (which I didn't film) just pips all the rest for the wow factor. Mind you all the displays we saw were incredible and very professional.
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Post by Bruce on Nov 10, 2008 14:48:54 GMT 12
He did get kinda close on one run - looks like the nose dropped a bit in the roll. Possibly our estimated field elevation could have been a bit out too, the available geographic data for the display planning etc was really sketchy (hurry up and get some decent images Google Earth!)
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 10, 2008 14:50:49 GMT 12
I don't suppose anyone has any photos or even video of the flying displays? The one photo of the tiger looks fantastic! I would have loved to be there - maybe next year. I decided to get my shots of the models cropped and posted first last night, as it was simple and I was busy/tired/slightly buzzed from beer. Then my net connection went slow as I was loading them. Plan to select and tweak the chopper shots tonight. My Pitts shots are un-inspiring (I was talking to Dave, on the other side of the grounds, so the distance didn't help). I haven't looked at my Mustang or Moth shots from Sunday yet. I actually found the Germans shooting at the Mustang more interesting and easier to snap, but hopefully I have something OK.
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Post by carl35 on Nov 10, 2008 15:10:50 GMT 12
and a pitts s2s is about the size of an overgrown flea anyway...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 15:44:17 GMT 12
A very grunty flea though.
I never noticed the low pass of the Thunder Mustang from where I was standing.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2008 19:02:58 GMT 12
The RNZAF Museum's display tent had some interesting artifacts on display. They included small sections of Vickers Vildebeest wing. The structure is really interesting, looking at these old parts. The restoration on the Vilde is progressing slowly I'm told, whereas the P-40E and the Oxford are now prgressing much more rapidly and apparently both are nearly ready to have their wings fitted. They have begun to strip the Oxford's paint (of which they've discovered there are nine layers all the way down to its orignal RAF colour scheme. Here are the Vilde wing sections: Also parts from the Oxford.
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