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Post by 30sqnatc on Jun 9, 2009 20:39:24 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2009 21:05:42 GMT 12
Um, I might be wrong but wasn't that announced about two years ago? I seem to recall all the poms on other forums whinging that the Sea Harriers were retiring early and the RAF taking over their role, in the beginning of what would be a total RAF take-over.
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Post by FlyNavy on Jun 9, 2009 21:40:13 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2009 21:58:50 GMT 12
Makes a lot of sense to have the RAF running everything if it saves a lot of money.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jun 9, 2009 22:53:43 GMT 12
On several ocassions it has been suggested to me that one of the biggest ways for the RAF to save money is to adopt some of the RNZAF processes and policies.
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Post by FlyNavy on Jun 9, 2009 22:55:32 GMT 12
Yeah, get rid of the RAF strike wing?
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Post by oldnavy on Jun 9, 2009 23:13:54 GMT 12
;D
Discussion has been going on the other thread indicated by FN and I have probably said enough there.
A brief summary:
It's the usual bureaucratic divide and conquer technique trying to drive a further wedge between the RAF and the RN. Having said that, Torpy is a sad old Tornado mate close to expiry date.
Where the Navy get their pilots/jets from for the F35/QE2 class is probably less important these days than it was in the 1930s, and money will always be an issue in a western democracy. Whether the RAF can hack the Navy pace is another question. Many of the embarked crabs I have met lack the motivation, training, commitment and skill to be effective at sea. It's fine and beaut for Torpy to take a parting shot, but if the crabs won't play as many of the other chat threads on this topic are suggesting, then Navy will have to continue filling the requirement as they have done in the UK for most of the last 100 years.
So many authoritative people have decided the F35 and QE 2 class will go ahead that it is really time for everyone to start pulling together rather than getting into these funding spats. It's really not good enough for the RAF to claim a role and then fail to fulfil their obligations as has been the case with every other instance of this kind of tomfoolery.
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Post by harvard1041 on Jun 10, 2009 7:23:07 GMT 12
This is politics at its worse....the FAA have a long proud - and well deserved - tradition - of getting things done...if you absolutely positively need the job done - get the Navy to do it.
Scraping the Sea Harrier and now (possibly) all Harriers to pay for - tornadoes - (small t ) - priorities are all wrong..
Rgds
Hvd1041
PS- I'm ex-RNZAF - but know a little about the FAA.
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Post by flycookie on Jun 10, 2009 11:58:18 GMT 12
30sqnatc:Yeah, get rid of the RAF strike wing? Classic! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jun 10, 2009 22:08:34 GMT 12
Yeah, get rid of the RAF strike wing? On another chat group - RAF have shot down 1 enemy aircraft since WWII, the FAA 28. I have no idea if it is true but makes a good story and supports scrapping the RAF flying club  ;D ;D |
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Post by Naki on Jun 10, 2009 22:42:37 GMT 12
Yeah, get rid of the RAF strike wing? On another chat group - RAF have shot down 1 enemy aircraft since WWII, the FAA 28. I have no idea if it is true but makes a good story and supports scrapping the RAF flying club ;D ;D Hmm probably true - RN Sea Furys in Korea and RN Sea Harriers in the Falklands had their fair share of air to air action whilst in the Gulf, Falklands and Balkans the RAF was mainly moving mud. |
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Post by oldnavy on Jun 11, 2009 0:02:34 GMT 12
An RAF F4 shot down an RAF Jaguar in Germany during the late '70s/early '80s (a switch pigs). That would be the only aeroplane shot down by the RAF since Korea, and I think their fighter jocks didn't pop over for that one, although they had some exchanges with Navy and RAAF?
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Post by flycookie on Jun 11, 2009 10:00:17 GMT 12
Wasn't Moggy an RAF exchange on 800/801/809 NAS in Hermes during the Falklands?
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Post by oldnavy on Jun 11, 2009 15:20:38 GMT 12
Moggy in the RAF? On a Navy Squadron flying Navy jets...but yes, he was an RAF Flt Lt. Navy still claim his tally in their total though, as do the RN and RAAF for anything that RAF exchange pilots did in Korea.
Like so many crabs exposed to the Navy way, Moggy transferred to the RN soon after anyway. Would have happened to many in the late 70s as well if they hadn't ditched the old Ark! Once people have experienced carrier operations they realise the true potential and sitting around a training at air force bases becomes less attractive. ;D No doubt it will happen again when the F35 and constitued air groups head to sea on the QE2 class.
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;D ;D