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Post by kiwirico on Jul 20, 2009 20:12:54 GMT 12
I would like to know what type of aircraft would be ideal for this job? I think the PILATUS PC-21 or Raytheon T-6 are the best options, right? Any idea what are the plans about this subject?
Delays in the formulation of a tender for advanced trainers have led to the Royal New Zealand Air Force extending a lease on five Beechcraft King Air B200s by a year.
"The request for proposals for new advanced trainers is being worked on right now, but there is a slight delay in getting it processed," says the country's defence ministry, adding: "it is now likely to come out in 2009. As a result, the lease on the King Air B200s will be extended by a year."
Data from: Flight International
Cheers,
KiwiRico
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Post by beagle on Jul 20, 2009 20:50:46 GMT 12
Choices will be
likely
B350
B200
maybe
dash 8
B1900
could be as stated in another thread
MU-2
unlikey
HS 748 C-1
DHC-4
very much hoped
C-27
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Post by Naki on Jul 20, 2009 23:08:51 GMT 12
Its a multi engine trainer - a PC-21 and T-6 arent multi engined..
my bet that it will be glass cockpit King Air 350s or 200s.
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Post by kiwirico on Jul 21, 2009 4:41:42 GMT 12
Many thanks for reply, I thought that the Raytheon T-6 Texan II was also mentioned once (perhaps in combination with Be.350?). Hope for some nice aircraft......
Cheers all there,
KiwiRico
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Post by kiwirico on Jul 22, 2009 23:20:29 GMT 12
Speaking about the Be.350 series; I think it would be a good idea to have also two maritime patrol equiped versions for short distance patrols and fisheries control..... so the P-3K can be used for other more better suited tasks to save money  What is your idea about that? Bye, KiwiRico |
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Post by beagle on Jul 23, 2009 5:24:42 GMT 12
there is no money for that sort of thing. This is NZ
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Post by sopwitht1 on Jul 24, 2009 22:10:03 GMT 12
C-27? You are kidding, right?
Mu-2? Ground Instructional Airframes for the ATS. The next question is what are they going to do with the Devons and Strikemasters in the ATS hangar at Woodbourne once the MU-2s arrive? Perhaps a flyable Strikemaster on the warbird circuit - could happen; at least one of those aircraft is fully operable; they are ground run frequently...
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Post by madmac on Jul 25, 2009 9:34:04 GMT 12
The tender I think requires the the aircraft to have glass cockpits & be twins as well. There will be no single engine aircraft or helo in the force other than a CT4 shortly.
I suspect that it is highly likely that it will be 1900D's as in terms of cost they offer the most capablity for less cost than a B350 plus there is a good number alreadly in country.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jul 25, 2009 16:02:21 GMT 12
Perhaps a flyable Strikemaster on the warbird circuit - could happen; at least one of those aircraft is fully operable; they are ground run frequently... The wings would need replacing first, they are all stuffed (the reason they were withdrawn from service early in the early 1990s). The six airframes that got new wings have already all been sold overseas and fly on today. |
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Post by kiwirico on Jul 25, 2009 19:24:02 GMT 12
The tender I think requires the the aircraft to have glass cockpits & be twins as well. There will be no single engine aircraft or helo in the force other than a CT4 shortly. I suspect that it is highly likely that it will be 1900D's as in terms of cost they offer the most capablity for less cost than a B350 plus there is a good number alreadly in country. I have some doubt that the tender requires a twin engined aircraft (at least I have not read anything about that, that's why I thought aircraft like Raytheon T-6A also are candidates.....). However, I like the B.1900 very much, but would this aircraft not far to heavy as trainer aircraft  The B.350 is much better suited for that role, although the B.1900D can also be used for small transport task as well. Still my idea would be a mixed fleet of Raytheon B.350/T-6 Texan II. But perhaps it's also a (personal) wish to see the RNZAF expanded ;D Will continue (pretty sure....) KiwiRico |
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Post by beagle on Sept 8, 2009 20:19:23 GMT 12
Speaking about the Be.350 series; I think it would be a good idea to have also two maritime patrol equiped versions for short distance patrols and fisheries control..... so the P-3K can be used for other more better suited tasks to save money What is your idea about that? Bye, KiwiRico what about this then  |
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Post by nzjet on Sept 8, 2009 21:39:21 GMT 12
Perhaps a flyable Strikemaster on the warbird circuit - could happen; at least one of those aircraft is fully operable; they are ground run frequently... The wings would need replacing first, they are all stuffed (the reason they were withdrawn from service early in the early 1990s). The six airframes that got new wings have already all been sold overseas and fly on today. Not exactly.... When the blunties were sold there were a bit of underhanded shady dealings going on to do with spare parts ect, when wigrams strikemaster arrived there it was found the wings had been swaped with a pair of the cracked wings off another airframe, Seems the good pair of wings were heading off overseas.... Alan woodley made a somewhat interesting phone call, next thing the correct wings arrived. So thanks to alan there is a good pair of wings capable of flight still at wigram. Also according to Alan, all the woodbourne devons have been requested by wigram as a swap item, with 2 potentionally going to historic flight. As for the strikemasters, he hopes one would end up at historic flight but there isnt much hope at the moment, I personally am chasing one for a ground running taxi machine with the potential of eventually returning to flight. |
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Post by phil on Sept 8, 2009 21:54:53 GMT 12
I think a Devon is coming to Ohakea
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Post by corsair67 on Sept 8, 2009 21:55:49 GMT 12
Speaking about the Be.350 series; I think it would be a good idea to have also two maritime patrol equiped versions for short distance patrols and fisheries control..... so the P-3K can be used for other more better suited tasks to save money What is your idea about that? Bye, KiwiRico what about this then Beags, you been into the vodka this evening??? ;D |
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Post by beagle on Sept 8, 2009 22:07:06 GMT 12
how many blunties and how many devons were at GTW
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Post by beagle on Sept 8, 2009 22:08:21 GMT 12
Beags, you been into the vodka this evening??? ;D well, he did say short range patrol work as well as twin engine training etc etc |
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Post by nzjet on Sept 8, 2009 22:12:43 GMT 12
I believe there are 4 blunties and 5 devons at GTW
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Post by corsair67 on Sept 8, 2009 22:14:42 GMT 12
But it looks ugly - and looks should be the top consideration when forking out millions of dollars on aircraft. ;D
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Post by corokid66 on Sept 11, 2009 0:31:02 GMT 12
I understand that 70mil has been allocated under the LTDP for this. If new B200's are circa US6mil and BatchII full digital Macchi upgrades are around Euro 3mil then back of the envelope calculations would get around six FD Macchi's and four B200's if the NZDF could find another 10-15 mil more. That would solve a few issues.
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Post by beagle on Sept 11, 2009 20:26:19 GMT 12
I understand that 70mil has been allocated under the LTDP for this. If new B200's are circa US6mil and BatchII full digital Macchi upgrades are around Euro 3mil then back of the envelope calculations would get around six FD Macchi's and four B200's if the NZDF could find another 10-15 mil more. That would solve a few issues. find another 10-15 mil, yeah right, they will be told to try and save 10-15 mil if possible |
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What is your idea about that?
The B.350 is much better suited for that role, although the B.1900D can also be used for small transport task as well. Still my idea would be a mixed fleet of Raytheon B.350/T-6 Texan II. But perhaps it's also a (personal) wish to see the RNZAF expanded ;D
