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Post by shorty on Aug 24, 2009 19:01:54 GMT 12
It isn't as simple as that Dave, the situation is more complex than that.
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Post by DragonflyDH90 on Aug 24, 2009 20:11:49 GMT 12
I would certainly like to know Air NZ's position on this, I am neither for nor against it staying (it would be nice to have it here though) but feel that if there is something relating to partial Air NZ ownership then it needs to come out in the open, essentially as mentioned above AirNZ is Government owned therefore if there is some financial connection to the aircraft it belongs to you and I also.
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Post by corsair67 on Aug 24, 2009 23:03:04 GMT 12
Letter to the Editor material for one of the major NZ newspapers?
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Post by phil82 on Aug 25, 2009 1:23:02 GMT 12
From - www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aJ5fC0VkMPmMThe wreck of the single-seat fighter was bought by New Zealand-based vintage-warplane enthusiast Tim Wallis in 1992 and took eight years to restore to the colors of No. 73 Squadron. It is one of only 11 Hurricanes in airworthy condition worldwide, the London-based auction house said. It was/is 23 Squadron, and not 73 as stated!
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Post by ZacYates on Aug 25, 2009 7:23:12 GMT 12
I must say that I don't really mind if the Hurricane stays or goes overseas, we've had a pretty good run with it and the market dictates these things, not enthusiast sentiment! As I get older I've become less and less sentimental about aircraft leaving NZ - I know it's the reality of the game.
But the Air NZ angle worries me a little.
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Post by shorty on Aug 25, 2009 7:33:37 GMT 12
ANZ will know about it now, it's in this mornings ODT
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Post by Peter Lewis on Aug 25, 2009 8:38:05 GMT 12
. . and in the NZ Herald.
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Post by phil82 on Aug 25, 2009 8:56:08 GMT 12
Letter to the Editor material for one of the major NZ newspapers? I'm speaking here from memory, having taken a great interest in the Hurricane from the time it arrived in New Zealand, and I'm pretty sure Air New Zealand had no financial interest in the aircraft whatsoever. The work they did to make the aircraft whole again was done as a part training exercise, for budding engineer trainees, which they may or may not have been paid for, but either way, ANZ has no say in what has happened.
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Post by fwx on Aug 25, 2009 10:57:38 GMT 12
Sorry, missed earlier posts - a real shame she is going, was hoping to see her up with one (or two) of the recent Spitfire arrivals, .... ... ungainly?
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Post by shorty on Aug 25, 2009 11:06:49 GMT 12
Letter to the Editor material for one of the major NZ newspapers? I'm speaking here from memory, having taken a great interest in the Hurricane from the time it arrived in New Zealand, and I'm pretty sure Air New Zealand had no financial interest in the aircraft whatsoever. The work they did to make the aircraft whole again was done as a part training exercise, for budding engineer trainees, which they may or may not have been paid for, but either way, ANZ has no say in what has happened. That account varies from what I was told by ANZ engineers who worked on it and by CAA staff. I agree, however, that ANZ does not have a direct financial interest in it, that would be too hard to explain to the shareholders, but as the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat. I would say that, given the impending sal,e the chances of any other group having restoration done by ANZ, without the full cost being paid, have plummetted to zero. In regard to being ambivilant about vintage aircraft leaving New Zealand , what disturbs me is that these restorations are usually begun by one person who has the burning ambition, and the depth of vision to turn a pile of what can be best described as rubbish into a restored aircraft again. This usually involves many years of work and sacrifice to achieve this aim. As soon as the project gets underway other enthusiasts pitch into help donating their time, skills and collected parts. They tend to do this for a love of the project, and apart from a beer after work, they neither receive, nor expect, payment for their efforts. Eventually the labour of love is completed and then the ugly spectre of money rears it’s head. Because the cost of theses restored aircraft has risen so much, and there are a few wealthy people around the world (most of whom would be incapable of restoring a kid’s trike) who can afford to indulge themselves the aircraft disappear from the reach of those who restored them. Even those who assisted miss out on viewing their efforts as the aircraft disappear overseas. When they are sold the people who gave so freely of their time and parts are never given a second thought. It is for this region that I now refuse to donate any parts or labour (I am a LAME) to a restoration unless there is some form of written agreement or I have some formal interest in the project. I have been burnt too many times
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Post by Kereru on Aug 25, 2009 14:29:07 GMT 12
Looks good to me too. Sorry to see them go but other enthusiasts will enjoy them too. Colin
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 25, 2009 15:01:26 GMT 12
Super, super photo Colin!
It will be much missed.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 25, 2009 15:03:42 GMT 12
Wow, I missed you photo two fwx, that's awesome too!
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Post by skyhawkdon on Aug 25, 2009 21:04:35 GMT 12
I was speaking to a mate from Air NZ engineering tonight and they are definitely not happy about it's sale. I am told they still hold all the original documentation and paperwork for the aircraft's restoration/certification and will not be releasing it to anyone. Without it the aircraft may be difficult to register/certify overseas. It certainly isn't being sold with their blessing.
I would really like to know what Sir Tim thinks about all this. He once told my father he would never sell the Hurricane and it would always stay in NZ. Is this all being done without his consent? If so then that shows a huge amount of disrespect for the man. Perhaps someone from Alpine Deer Group would like to respond and clarify these matters in the public interest.
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Post by ZacYates on Sept 6, 2009 20:19:23 GMT 12
So....WOW's Facebook page says that they hope "the purchaser will keep the Hurricane here for Easter"....has it been sold? EDIT: Just read the auction is September 27....so never mind So.....where will it go? Rod Lewis?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 6, 2009 21:11:23 GMT 12
So.....where will it go? Rod Lewis? That's a bit of a silly question Zac. Please wait and see who bids at the auction before speculating and guessing where it will go to.
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Post by shorty on Sept 6, 2009 21:36:37 GMT 12
I was speaking with a contact t from ANZ management who were involved with the restoration and he was certain that there was a caveat on it.
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