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Post by alias on Oct 18, 2010 20:20:42 GMT 12
I have nothing but drama with Humbrol 'matt cote', it goes gluggy in the cold and worse, never seems to dry completely, causing fingermarks in the finish when you pick up a model for a look, sometimes months later.. Is this common? I use Johnsons Klear as a gloss coat for decals which is excellent but perhaps its a reaction between the two varnishes? What would be the best matt varnish, to handbrush, out there?
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Post by smithy on Oct 18, 2010 21:04:00 GMT 12
If you are handbrushing then I would use either Humbrol 49 or Klear which has been flattened with Tamiya flat base.
Cheers,
Tim
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Post by alias on Oct 19, 2010 18:41:00 GMT 12
Thanks for the tips, I recall using humbrol 49 many years ago, it yellowed the finish significantly which sometimes was a good thing, are the paint characteristics the same today? The Klear/ matt base idea is a good one, I'll pick some up next time I'm in Invercargill. I have gunze flat base but dont know how it would go as I use retarder with that paint to delay drying when brushing. Perhaps I'll give it a go, but I fear the worst..
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Post by phil on Oct 19, 2010 18:44:55 GMT 12
If you are handbrushing then I would use either Humbrol 49 or Klear which has been flattened with Tamiya flat base. Cheers, Tim +1
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Post by steveh on Oct 19, 2010 20:39:43 GMT 12
I've used the Humbrol Flatcote & found that the thing it needed most was a heap of stirring & that was after you thought you'd mixed it as well as you could. Other than that its been OK. Recently though I've played with what Tim suggests, the Klear with a bit of Tamiya X21 flat base. This has the advantage that after a bit of experimentation, you can vary the amount of matting to what you desire. About 20% Flat base to Klear gives a sort of semi matt which is about right on smaller scales IMHO, up to 30% for larger scales but too much can go cloudy. It would pay to get an old piece of kit & try it till you're happy with what you get. Steve.
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Post by Bruce on Oct 19, 2010 21:25:40 GMT 12
In the past I have had some success using Artists spray Acrylic clear available from Art shops and Warehouse stationery. I got it originally to seal some paintings I was doing and I found it was so good on those I tried it on a model. You can get it in Matt, satin or gloss finishes and it doesnt react with any type of paint finish it is applied over. it also dries hard extremely quickly, and the brand I used (Dont have a can with me at the moment to give its brand, sorry) has a spray nozzle better than any aerosol can I have ever seen - an extremely gentle, even mist. The Klear and Flat base trick sounds good though - especially if you can vary the gloss levels...
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Post by horicle on Oct 3, 2013 15:06:56 GMT 12
To get a real matt finish I use Estapol Polyurethane Matt. It can be sprayed but I'm a brush man so have not tried that. It is so good a matt I don't use it on WW2 Japanese or Soviet types because they did not have the paint technology to make matt paint in the lighter colours. One that stayed on the aircraft. For those types I use Microscales Micro Flat, by my reckoning it is a poor matt but just right for poor paints.
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Post by harrysone on Oct 3, 2013 16:52:39 GMT 12
The klear and flat base mix I find works a treat, I use it all the time to create semi-gloss right through to matt finishes, you don't want to add too much though as Steve says. A few clever tips for Klear or 'future' here... www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
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Post by skippynz on Feb 19, 2020 18:34:44 GMT 12
Apologies for re-opening an old thread,. but I have had a lot of success with Vallejo Matt or Satin Varnish over Klear. I don't mind Vellejo paints (prefer Tamiya) and can't stand Vallejo primer.
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