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Post by oggie2620 on Nov 12, 2012 23:02:17 GMT 12
A Kiwi Crew and a Tiki Stirling  RAK Oakington August 1943 with their new Stirling EF465 MG-D. L to R 1. Ron Grabtree (B/A) 2 Scittie Fergusson (F/E) 3 Harry Goddard (RG) 4 Don Lamb (Nav) 5 Ben Dallenger (Pilot) 6 Bill Anderson (W/OP) 7 ? Gunner (M/UG) All but the Flight Engineer and M/UG were Kiwis. The large tiki has a motto which is indistinct. Note the 1940's style photo shop. The Bulldog mascot of 7 Squadron was famous for petrol tin bunting.  Skipper Ben Dallenger with the Tiki Stirling. All the crew were killed on the night of 17/9/42 on a raid to Essen, part of 17 New Zealanders killed that night on a large scale raid which drew on Wellingtons from Operational Training Units. This crew was on its 5th Operation together. Graham Burgess was the original skipper of this crew but had been hospitalised with pluresey and eventually was shipped home to recover. PJW were the same crew on 75 Sqn because I have just bought a photo off ebay of this particular Stirling in 75 Sqn markings? Can you tell me what happened with her? I will find some stuff in the Stirling Story I am sure but given you have other pics I thought you would have a more personal version.... Am going to send the pic to Glen along with a profile drawing by Clavework Graphics I found on a forum when I googled her.... |
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Post by fwx on Nov 14, 2012 12:25:41 GMT 12
I reckon the motto below the tiki is "Te Kooti"?
By the way Dee, Doug told me just the other day that his 75 Lancaster HK601, JN Dog had a piece of nose-art! A (Disney) Pluto-look-alike apparently - first I knew!
Cheers, Chris
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Post by pjw4118 on Nov 15, 2012 14:26:13 GMT 12
Dee , I will have to check back to the original collection.
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Post by pjw4118 on Nov 15, 2012 17:40:30 GMT 12
Red face here Dee, I joined two unrelated stories.
Enlaging the Tiki Stirling photo shows AA-J clearly in the background so it is likely a 75 machine.
Ben Dallenger took over from Graham Burgess as pilot on 7 squadron when he contracted pleuresy and was eventually repatriated to NZ. As Errols book records Ben and is crew were lost on 17/9/42 in W7569 MG-D of 7 squadron.
Regarding the Tiki Stirling do you have a serial number.
The Tiki photos and others were given to Graham Burgess by Lady Sylvia Lamb who had lived in Sark, but moved prior to the Germans arriving.She or her family had connections to Browns Hotel in Westland and offered Kiwis a break in her home in England. Many gave her photos , mostly un named and this is where the original came from.
So I shall now go to the blackboard and right 100 times ...check and recheck before posting !!!
So who flew the Tiki Stirling.?
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Post by pjw4118 on Nov 15, 2012 19:26:18 GMT 12
Popeye Avenger For my earlier sins, A new photo of the Avenger at Ohakea in the 1940's. Posing is Mac Morgan still wearing his wartime observers badge. He later retrained as a pilot and instructor.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2012 19:47:53 GMT 12
Super shot! Is that a Mosquito in the background?
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Post by pjw4118 on Nov 15, 2012 19:52:48 GMT 12
Yes it is Dave, Mac served on 75 Sq in its Mossie era.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2012 20:58:02 GMT 12
I thought so. He was also on No. 489 (NZ) Squadron.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 8, 2013 0:51:39 GMT 12
Although this thread is for wartime aircraft wearing nose art I reckon it's worth adding some postwar RNZAF nose art and nicknames here too.
Virtually the entire fleet of No. 14 Squadron de Havilland FB.9 Vampires wore special names in decorative artistic script when they were based in Cyprus. The aircraft serial/code/names were:
WR115 A Annabelle
WX217 B Bambi
WX220 C Cupid
WR119 D Dingbat
WR125 E Easy Goin'
WR208 F Felix
WR209 G Ground Hog
WR145 H Hell's Angel
WR111 I Irene
WR234 J Jezebel
WR235 K Kiwi
WR246 L Lulu
WL581 M Mooloo
WG928 N
WP994 O Onkus
WP998 P Pauline
From the AHSNZ Journal 4 Dec 1967.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 8, 2013 0:59:14 GMT 12
Also from the same article as the Vampires above, it appears some of our Canberras also wore names on their nose:
WJ630 TAKITIMU Later MATA ATUA
WJ605 MATA ATUA
WH666 AOTEA
WF619 MAMERE Later TE ARAWA
WD964 KURAHAUPO
WH645 APIRANA
WJ986 TAINUI
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Post by hairy on Jan 8, 2013 11:23:43 GMT 12
Virtually the entire fleet of No. 14 Squadron de Havilland FB.9 Vampires wore special names in decorative artistic script when they were based in Cyprus. The aircraft serial/code/names were: ................. WR125 E Easy Goin' ................. From the AHSNZ Journal 4 Dec 1967. They didn't just have a name painted on.......................  Photographer unknown  |
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Post by hairy on Jan 8, 2013 11:30:09 GMT 12
Also from the same article as the Vampires above, it appears some of our Canberras also wore names on their nose: WJ630 TAKITIMU Later MATA ATUA .............. Not the best picture but you can see the name MATAATUA (no space) above, and just forward of, the crew door in black plus a picture of NZ on the tail.  Photographer unknown |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 8, 2013 13:26:26 GMT 12
Interesting to see that name on the Canberra, thanks. I never realised too till I read the AHSNZ article that the NZ map and red kiwi emblem as seen here was later replaced with a green tiki, has anyone got a close up of that emblem on a Canberra tail?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 14, 2013 12:30:13 GMT 12
In a phonecall this morning wartime Corsair pilot Norman Kiddle told me that one day when he'd been flying NZ5416 "Tutae Wera" an American nurse asked him what the name meant. He was too shy to say that it meant "Shit Hot", so he told her it translated as "Into the Dawn of the Sunrise". ;D
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Post by htbrst on Mar 1, 2013 10:41:20 GMT 12
 Here's another I found just now, thanks to NZ Wings from July 1980. In that famous often seen photo of three No. 14 Squadron 'B' Flight P-40E's sidling up to Leo White's camera lens (he was in a Harvard) the closest to camera HQ-B (NZ3008)flown by probably Stan Quill is well known as UMSLOGOGAAS. What an awesome name. As that aircraft still resides at Masterton, I wonder if we could convince Mr Slade to repaint it in its original scheme with original nickname! The batch of NZ Wings that I did today (Feb - Oct 1980) contains this gem in the letters section from the October issue about this photo from Stan Quill: UMSLOPOGAAS EXPLAINEDSIR, I draw your attention to the photograph on page 23 of the July copy of WINGS in which you speculate that I may have been the pilot of P40 NZ3008. The answer is no: I believe that it was (then) Flt. Lt. J.A. Oldfield — it certainly looks like him!
However NZ3008 was the aeroplane I frequently flew and that rather odd name Umslopogaas was indeed the one I gave it. Many have asked how such a name came about. The following extract from the book "Allan Quartermain" by H. Rider Haggard will indicate I hope that it was a name of some relevance. ". . . .and now behold, Umslopogaas, I knew thee for a great warrior and a brave man faithful to the death. Even in Zululand where all men are brave they called thee the "Slaughterer" and at night told stories round the fires of thy strength and deeds. . . "
S.G. Quill, Palmerston North.There is discussion about the origins of the name elsewhere, so its good to 'hear' it from the horses mouth  The airmail page in question is here: www.pacificwingsmagazine.com/content/airmail-224 |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 2, 2013 19:41:28 GMT 12
Well done in finding that William.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 30, 2013 0:24:29 GMT 12
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Post by komata on Dec 10, 2013 20:06:52 GMT 12
The things we learn.
So far (to my surprise) no one has mentioned the RNZAF Catalina (serial un-recalled) which did the 'mail run' up to Hong Kong immediately after hostilities ended (although the aircraft was still in combat configuration) The aircraft's 'voyage' was detailed in the book on New Zealand flying-boats published several years ago, and during this operation it was (from memory) given the nickname 'China Mailman' and had its 'nose art'applied, this art being of a cartoon character inspired by an American candy bar. It is usually recognized as being the aircraft that undertook the last RNZAF combat patrol of WW2.
Perhaps someone can find and post a photograph?
A question for the researchers. Many years ago I owned an RNZAF-official 3/4 low nose (port side) aspect photo of a PV-1 which had been taken at Ohakea. The aircraft featured an extremely irate Donald Duck (decal?) placed to the right of the rear-fuselage access door. The a/c serial number is, regrettably, not known.
Unfortunately I loaned the photo to a member of the IPMS and it never came back. However, as it was an RNZAF official pic. can anyone advise if it is possible to obtain a copy of this, and, if so, from what section of the RNZAF? Wigram museum perhaps?
Thanks
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2013 21:39:30 GMT 12
There were loads of RNZAF Venturas with Donald Duck (and other Disney characters) on them in that position.
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Post by stan on Dec 22, 2013 8:47:26 GMT 12
"The Captains Fancy"   Esmond Ware Skipper of 75 Squadrons C Flight JN-M (NE181) at Mepal showing 101 ops in April 1945. L to R Standing Dick Wright (RG), Wilf Cairns * (W/op) Esmond * (Pilot ), Jerry White (M/UG) In front Duck Carter (F/E) Tubby Emslie * (Nav) Stan Heald * (B/A) * RNZAF airmen Both Esmonde and Colin Emslie survived and are active today. That is my Dad Stan Heald he is at back left not front right. Very exiting to find him here. I have his log book so can track all the planes he flew in. |
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