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Post by beagle on Aug 27, 2011 21:10:59 GMT 12
mmm much lower hours
ok they were rebuilds of one staken out of the desert, but i have seen drawing etc of what parts of the originals they kept and it was not much. quite a bit of them is new esp the avionics.
full digital flight deck. How much digital in ours.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Aug 28, 2011 11:23:04 GMT 12
The stopwatch?
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Post by adzze on Aug 28, 2011 11:26:42 GMT 12
flyjoe - and the iPod that plays 'Flight of the Valkyries' over the PA speakers  |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Aug 28, 2011 11:28:23 GMT 12
;D But of course.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 28, 2011 15:53:44 GMT 12
Rather than 'Ride of the Valkyries' I would have thought they played "In The Navy" by the Village People?
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Post by Calum on Aug 29, 2011 14:47:32 GMT 12
Hi Calum Hey - forget the Lynx mate - it's not an option now - and wasn't selected back then ... I disagree with your opinions on Lynx - which is fine as your points are well made - pretty sure you feel the same - but surely you agree any debate on Lynx / Seasprite is purely academic now ? Yeah, I guess it is. Still if replacement ever becomes an option then Lynx will be a contender The real debate should be on how the RNZAF / RNZN operate the aircraft for the foreseeable future - what balance of in-house and Kaman work is the best option to keep them going - or should money be 'found' to replace them. I'm advocating doing the max in-house - because simply put, there is no money to replace them - and if they are not maintained in house at a reasonable price - the role will be lost due to cost reasons - the politicians would love to axe an 'expensive' aircraft. I'd say negotiate very hard, knock the price of the Aussie ones down to 'scrap' value - buy them - strip them down .... and then boost up the Safe Air Team who does the heavy maintenance on them - with the clear understanding that they will be in service for another 15 years. They aren’t Aussie ones anymore. They belong to Kaman. But I agree with your reasoning. Any avionics update should be done in-house in NZ as well - money spent on this sort of thing in NZ is - in my opinion - well spent. ( Sending the damaged Seasprite back to Kaman in 2002 for a $7.4m rebuild was a poor decision when the job could have been done in NZ cheaper and boosted our in-house capability. ) The other reason to go down this road I think - is the same situation will arise with the newly modified C-130s & P-3s...both orphans .... Rgds Hvd1041 I can’t argue with much of the above. With orphan platforms you have no choice to do most things yourself. |
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Post by mroz on Sept 23, 2011 18:08:22 GMT 12
Personally, I think both NZ and Aust likely got screwed by Kaman! I still can't see for either country what the particular appeal was, in buying what is at its core, an aged piece of flying technology. For some mad reason we in Australia then decided, "hey into this old frame we can stuff every mod piece of tech possible and it'll all just work" - ok, maybe fine in theory, but the reality was somewhat different. The Romeo will be a much better buy.
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 5, 2011 13:53:37 GMT 12
RNZAF won't buy the Aussie Seasprites, too many incompatibility issues with avionics and structurally. Ask the Safe Air guys; they went to Connecticut to build them. The Aussie ones are quite different. So much for a P-3/S-3 in a helo airframe, then. (Although that could change with the short sighted MoD thinking it might be a good cheap idea...groan)
The airframes at WB are different also, being earlier SH-2F models, so no scavenging, also they are u/s airframes for training only.
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Post by meo4 on Oct 26, 2011 20:16:54 GMT 12
Ditch the seasprites how bout 4 new build sh70Bs $163 million US post 2015 when NZ back in surplus. Attachments:
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Post by Damon on Oct 26, 2011 20:30:11 GMT 12
Can you land the SH70B on our ships? Too costly to operate by our Navy anyway..
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Post by meo4 on Oct 26, 2011 21:44:49 GMT 12
Both ANZACs and Canterbury are capable of embarking the SH60, RAN currently operates seahawks off its ANZAC class FFGs. The contract for the seasprites was around $275 million NZ in the late 1990s. Brazilian Navy package was around $300 million US for 6 SH70B spare engines ,spares training etc. Attachments:
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 27, 2011 12:49:50 GMT 12
RNZAF won't buy the Aussie Seasprites I wouldn't be rushing to support that statement. There aren't any compatibility issues if that is the only type we operate (which it will be). Aren't the avionics fits totally different? As in their's is over-ambitious and doesn't work reliably, and our's are ok? |
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Post by Calum on Oct 28, 2011 8:03:33 GMT 12
So says Kaman... Hardly the people I'd trust considering their interest in selling them.
The question if the RNZAF buys them is how they certify them under the airworthiness system. Considering it's the same as the ADF's and the ADF were unwilling to do same.
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 28, 2011 8:13:15 GMT 12
So says Kaman... Hardly the people I'd trust considering their interest in selling them. The question if the RNZAF buys them is how they certify them under the airworthiness system. Considering it's the same as the ADF's and the ADF were unwilling to do same. And even if they are certified, they won't be the same as our's, so we have two avionics setups to maintain. |
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Post by lesterpk on Oct 28, 2011 13:09:09 GMT 12
No we wont, we'll only be flying the Ex aussie ones
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 28, 2011 13:38:24 GMT 12
No we wont, we'll only be flying the Ex aussie ones Right, I was taking the 'type' reference above in context of the Seahawk discussion. That's got a better chance of working then. Any indication of which of the shiny Aussie 'capabilities' have been dropped, if any? I assume they have a longer remaining useful life compared to the SH-2G(NZ)'s? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 28, 2011 15:43:20 GMT 12
How may ex-RAN aircraft are for sale and is NZ likely to take all of them?
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 28, 2011 16:08:03 GMT 12
How may ex-RAN aircraft are for sale and is NZ likely to take all of them? Wikipedia says that 10 were delivered to the RAN. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 29, 2011 0:11:22 GMT 12
Any real evidence behind that statement? There were a number of other fundamental issues with the ADF Seasprites other than the avionics, which would make them an unattractive buy. I know of one issue that was of some concern; the centre console took up so much space in the cockpit that the left seat pilot's seat was too small for your average size person. Apparently the collective could not be operated safely through full and free movement because of this. I can recall reading a headline or something to the effect that there were to be no fat Seasprite No.2 pilots in the RAN! |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 29, 2011 2:27:09 GMT 12
11?
"We're gonna need a bigger boat!" ;D
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