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Post by steve on Aug 21, 2006 2:05:44 GMT 12
I am still researching this unusal rank( Ensign) withing the RNZN. It is the equal of pilot officer however does not exist in the Royal Navy nor the RAN or the RCN.. any ex/ navy readers or uniform experts who can assist with the questions:
1. Why was this officer rank created and
2. When was it adopted
3. Was the rank approved by govt or esatablished by sole authority of Chief of naval staff (Chief of Navy) today terms or had to be approved by the Chief of Defence
I could contact the Navy PR howver i suspect the reply would be
not in depth as to what i can learn here
Cheers steve
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 21, 2006 2:35:29 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 21, 2006 2:38:06 GMT 12
Oops, you'll need to copy and paste that link into google to get it to work as you need the _(rank) tag to go to the right page.
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Post by steve on Aug 24, 2006 0:30:19 GMT 12
Yes ...thanks Dave..i have reasearched that...but doesn't explain the RNZNs decision in adopting such a rank...there is overtures of US and I suppose Vietnam however the Aussie Navy never went this way and worked (navy) closely with the americans...At this atge they changed their bow serial numbers to match US warships while NZ kept to the British ID markings...my belief... its tied up with RNZAF chopper training etc and a equal rank to pilot officer...to avoid conflict still not sure?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 24, 2006 23:23:18 GMT 12
I wondered if the extra rank was slotted in to equalise everything for pay scales?
I'm almost sure we were told about this rank and the why's and wherefores when I joined the RNZAF and learned about NZ military ranks. But that was 1989, and I cannot remember what was said now. Maybe you need to contact the Navy PR or their museum after all.
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Post by steve on Aug 25, 2006 0:30:50 GMT 12
Yes maybe...however their response would not provide the logic behind the scenes..I suspect pay scales is logical as you suggest.. after all a pilot officer training for the RNZAF on choppers should not be paid less than the navy equal..training for the wasps...
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Post by scratch on Jul 5, 2012 22:19:35 GMT 12
I realise this is an old question - having just joined the forum, I was browsing and came across it.
If anyone is still interested, the rank of Ensign in the RNZN was introduced in 1968 to replace the previous rank of Acting Sub Lieutenant. An officer progressed from Cadet to Midshipman to A/S Lt, to S Lt, to Lt. Acting Sub Lt was actually a substantive rank but it did not fit with the changes being made in the New Zealand services in the mid-1960s as computerised personnel systems were being adopted. 'Acting' was used for rank that was granted for temporary purposes - so the substantive rank of A/Sub Lt needed to be changed. Hence the introduction of 'Ensign' in place of A/Sub Lt.
I know, because I just missed being promoted to Ensign, having made substantive Sub Lt at the time it was introduced.
Hope this clears it up.
Scratch
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Post by ngatimozart on Jul 7, 2012 13:53:02 GMT 12
Yes and it would also be for pay purposes to because if an officer was only an acting Sub Lt then they would only still be on an Officer Cadets pay which would be unfair.
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Post by scratch on Jul 7, 2012 22:01:40 GMT 12
No - as I said, A/Sub Lt was a 'substantive' rank and there was a pay scale for it. Changing the rank title to Ensign made absolutely no difference to what we were paid.
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