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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 2, 2012 16:29:42 GMT 12
It has been reported on another place where I lurk that the latest edition of Navy Today says the Navy is acquiring two new Littoral Warfare Support Ships to be named "Takapu" and Tarapunga" the same names as the old Moa class white boats with pennants A07 and A08. Nothing anywhere on net and my copy of Navy today hasn't arrived yet. apparently they can transit at 24 knots. Anyone heard anything?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 2, 2012 18:00:11 GMT 12
Warfare? Is that allowed these days?
What does Littoral mean?
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Post by beagle on Mar 2, 2012 19:06:16 GMT 12
A littoral combat ship (LCS) is a type of relatively small surface vessel intended for operations in the littoral zone (close to shore). It is "envisioned to be a networked, agile, stealthy surface combatant capable of defeating anti-access and asymmetric threats in the littorals  |
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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 2, 2012 19:59:08 GMT 12
The old Moa class "white boats" Tarapunga and Takapu were modified IPCs built in Whangarei. They were used for inshore shallow water hydrographic surveying with Monowai doing the offshore stuff. The navy is trying to get as much as it can out of the minimum number of hulls so now its called littoral warfare includes such things mine laying and mine counter measures, combat hydrographic surveying, diver ops, intel ops etc. The RNZN has the Survey Motor Boat Adventure that works with Resolution being the mother ship. Adventure will have a multi-beam echo sounder installed in the hull plus sidescan sonar and very highly sensitive 3 axis motion sensors (not cheap) plus survey grade GPSS and GPS, survey grade laser systems and computing systems. So am wondering if the new boats are a replacement and extension of the capability.
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Post by beagle on Mar 2, 2012 20:06:56 GMT 12
Hope they don't get TENEX to build them
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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 2, 2012 20:14:59 GMT 12
Hope they don't get TENEX to build them God forbid. No nightmares please. |
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Post by beagle on Mar 2, 2012 20:16:43 GMT 12
Surely these Americas Cup boat builders in Auckland could design something and build it much better.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 2, 2012 20:22:20 GMT 12
I'm sure when I was a teenager TENEX used to make anti-zit cream.
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Post by beagle on Mar 2, 2012 20:27:11 GMT 12
Never had the problem..................
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Post by corsair67 on Mar 3, 2012 11:16:36 GMT 12
So "Littoral" is almost as fashionable with defence 'hipsters' as "Tranche" is at the moment?   |
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Post by nige on Mar 3, 2012 13:04:35 GMT 12
So "Littoral" is almost as fashionable with defence 'hipsters' as "Tranche" is at the moment? Perhaps "back in vogue" may be apt ;D But seriously, that's were the action can be and that's where damage can be inflicted on friendly joint operations and the supply chain etc. |
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Post by meo4 on Mar 3, 2012 19:04:20 GMT 12
It has been reported on another place where I lurk that the latest edition of Navy Today says the Navy is acquiring two new Littoral Warfare Support Ships to be named "Takapu" and Tarapunga" the same names as the old Moa class white boats with pennants A07 and A08. Nothing anywhere on net and my copy of Navy today hasn't arrived yet. apparently they can transit at 24 knots. Anyone heard anything? Had a flick through recent Navy Today on friday didnt notice any think on new ships Ill have closer read on monday was more about fleet divisions stuff from last year. Tenix shipyards in Williamstown VIC were brought out by BAE ,Whangarei ship building was shut down as soon as the IPVs were complete. |
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Post by meo4 on Mar 5, 2012 15:26:24 GMT 12
On page 10 of NT 165
The LWS's capability will be further enhanced later in 2012 when the Navy takes delivery of two new boats - TAKAPU and TARAPUNGA, which are designed to support Mine Counter Measures and REA operations. These boats will be deployable by sea,air and land and capable of transiting up to 24 knots to a minimum range of 150 nautical miles, providing LSWF with an organic over the-horizon-boat capability.
Hardly a ship if it's suppose to fit in a Herc more of a large fizz boat like ADVENTURE.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 5, 2012 17:19:20 GMT 12
So these boats are dinghies or rubber runabouts then? Zodiacs?
I'm surprised to read they will be to counter mines. Do navies still use floating sea mines these days? I'd have thought they'd have been outlawed, like landmines, due to the fact they can kill innocents. And what is REA?
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Post by meo4 on Mar 5, 2012 20:19:31 GMT 12
www.nzdia.co.nz/media/forum2011/Col%20Darryl%20Tracy-Forum2011.pdfIf you look on slide 14 I think it's the launch /game fishing looking boat . It's a all in one mine countermeasures , rapid enviromental assement REA, maybe a bit of fishing stations on the side  . As far a sea mines go there's still the odd ww2 mine floating around Solomon's etc. In the late 80s Iranians mined straights of Homus caused headache for yanks. Basically diver swims down and rigs a charge to dispose off mine, also get limpet mines which get attached to ships hull by sabouters divers .
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Post by davel on Mar 6, 2012 7:13:04 GMT 12
So when the yanks get a Littoral Combat Ship they get the Independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Independence_(LCS-2)) and Freedom Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Freedom_(LCS-1)). When NZ do it we get weekend fishing boat..
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 6, 2012 7:42:01 GMT 12
So when the yanks get a Littoral Combat Ship they get the Independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Independence_(LCS-2)) and Freedom Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Freedom_(LCS-1)). When NZ do it we get weekend fishing boat.. I wonder which are the better value for money??? |
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Post by Tony on Mar 6, 2012 11:16:12 GMT 12
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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 6, 2012 18:38:22 GMT 12
So these boats are dinghies or rubber runabouts then? Zodiacs? I'm surprised to read they will be to counter mines. Do navies still use floating sea mines these days? I'd have thought they'd have been outlawed, like landmines, due to the fact they can kill innocents. And what is REA? Maritime mines aren't outlawed and they are a good way of securing a large area of the oggy or at least make it difficult for the enemy to operate in. They are both a defensive and offensive weapon. Warfare is all about defeating your enemy and you do that to the best of your ability. If non combatants are killed then that is an unfortunate occurrence. In the NZ and Australian forces what the US call collateral damage is minimsed as far as is practible and feasible. We are more considerate than the US. However the mission comes first and there will always be circumstances where non combatants are killed and you cannot do anything to prevent it. War is not some romantic notion of chivalry and non combatants are not involved. It is about defeating your enemy, kill or be killed. You make sure you kill the enemy first so that you survive. This is a very brutal assessment but it has to be, to ensure that there are no misunderstandings. REA = Rapid Environmental Assessment which is a subsurface marine morphology (as in bathymetric) assessment looking for obstacles etc prior to a landing on a coast, i.e., beach or port by NZ (with or without) and allied amphibious forces. |
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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 6, 2012 18:42:51 GMT 12
So when the yanks get a Littoral Combat Ship they get the Independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Independence_(LCS-2)) and Freedom Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Freedom_(LCS-1)). When NZ do it we get weekend fishing boat.. I see they are having a problem with a recently launched one. It has been in and out of dry dock (back in dry dock at moment) with leaks to seals around where propulsion units mate with hull. They are using water pump jets as propulsion and steerage rather than standard screw and rudder combo. thing is this is the hull that's supposed to be going to Singapore to help stand up the USN FOB there. Methinks our fishing boat would be better value for money |
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