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Post by ErrolC on Jul 3, 2012 7:47:37 GMT 12
Heard the 'No Pearl Harbor' story on the radio this morning, so it has reached mainstream media. Edit: And the 'front page' of Stuff www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7208276/Kiwi-frigates-kept-out-of-Pearl-HarbourDespite New Zealand signing a sweeping new agreement on military co-operation with the United States, its anti-nuclear legislation is the reason two navy frigates have been refused entry to Pearl Harbour during the world's largest maritime exercise.
For the first time in 28 years, the Defence Force is taking part in this year's Exercise Rim of the Pacific, known as Rimpac. The force has proudly publicised New Zealand's involvement in the US-hosted exercise.
The frigates Te Kaha and Endeavour are in Hawaii, along with a rifle platoon from the Infantry Regiment, a counter-mine team, an air force P-3K Orion and a dive team based in San Diego.
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Pity about the 'two frigates', but at least it is 'air force'! |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jul 5, 2012 10:09:17 GMT 12
They got to dock at a tourist port. I'm sure the crews would love that anyway.
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Post by phil82 on Jul 5, 2012 10:17:30 GMT 12
If I recall correctly, there are some port authorities in the US and Canada which declared themselves 'nuclear free' some years ago, and don't allow the US Navy in! One of them is New York , and Vancouver?
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Post by Calum on Jul 5, 2012 14:16:51 GMT 12
it's still a petty snub by the US IMHO
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Post by dumpynose on Jul 5, 2012 14:41:04 GMT 12
The USN isn't allowed into New York? Really? That will come as news to the 8.5 million people who live there. Try briefly glimpsing at this - militarynews.com/fleetweeknewyork/events.htmlThe absence of nuclear powered ships visiting New York is entirely due to USN requirements. Sorry to blow a 1,000 kilometre wide hole in that leftie-green fallacy, but, really, the story of nuclear ships being banned in New York is purest of pure myth. The nearby nuclear power station at Indian Point poses more worrisome questions that the USN does, has or ever will do. Calum, the US is fully entitled to be "petty" towards New Zealand governments. Reap as ye sow, and all that. |
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Post by ngatimozart on Jul 5, 2012 18:56:15 GMT 12
Calum, the US is fully entitled to be "petty" towards New Zealand governments. Reap as ye sow, and all that. Why? Aren't they acting like a spoilt child or a frustrated bully? We are an independant and sovereign nation free to enact policy, laws and statutes of our own. We are not, nor ever have been a State or Territory of the US. Their hissy fit over it could have be construed as an attempt to interfere in our internal affairs. Sec State Schultz was the one who ramped up the rhetoric when an agreement could have probably been reached behind closed doors that would have suited both parties. All the rhetoric from Schultz did was garner a large ground swell of NZ public support for a policy that had only had support from a minority group within the public prior to this. |
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 6, 2012 2:22:00 GMT 12
Like someone already said: “who needs Pearl Harbour when the boys can berth at Honolulu and have fun!” Let the US Navy play their stupid childish games while the Kiwi sailors enjoy the Honolulu beaches & nightlife.  |
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Post by phil82 on Jul 6, 2012 6:34:59 GMT 12
Calum, the US is fully entitled to be "petty" towards New Zealand governments. Reap as ye sow, and all that. Why? Aren't they acting like a spoilt child or a frustrated bully? We are an independant and sovereign nation free to enact policy, laws and statutes of our own. We are not, nor ever have been a State or Territory of the US. Their hissy fit over it could have be construed as an attempt to interfere in our internal affairs. Sec State Schultz was the one who ramped up the rhetoric when an agreement could have probably been reached behind closed doors that would have suited both parties. All the rhetoric from Schultz did was garner a large ground swell of NZ public support for a policy that had only had support from a minority group within the public prior to this. That saved me writing much the same response. The US likes democracy when it is determining what that means,and not when, in this case, expressed loudly and clearly by a country whose politicians couldn't be bought or cowed. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Jul 9, 2012 14:16:34 GMT 12
Yep; Hooters is not far from the dock! Thing is, the cap'n might have a hard time trying to get the guys back on board!
Seriously though, when the RIMPAC exercises began it probably did not occur to the US Sec of Defense that this needed to be rectified, I mean, how many of us were aware such a state of affairs existed? Also, if a US warship turned up here, what kind of reception would it receive, especially if the Americans pulled out the "we can neither confirm nor deny..." card?
Also, having NZ warships in the civvie port is a huge PR exercise for us and makes the NZ issue a talking point among the public that see our ships and meet our sailors.
The mere fact that our forces are partaking in this exercise is a huge step forward and shows how much relations have thawed in the last 25 years. If you think about it, our stance has not changed at all, so it is the United States who is slowly changing its attitude to us. Mind you, if it were a Republican government in power, the US would be a lot frostier toward us...
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 9, 2012 14:24:03 GMT 12
... Also, if a US warship turned up here, what kind of reception would it receive, especially if the Americans pulled out the "we can neither confirm nor deny..." card? ... Well the PM would look at the available evidence (including public statements about policy and practice by the USN), decide that they could determine that a random destroyer isn't going to be carrying nukes, and weigh up if they want to take the political consequences of having the visit. |
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Post by strikemaster on Jul 9, 2012 15:23:41 GMT 12
So, as always, its a case of who need who the most. So if they can't enter Pearl Harbour where will they be based?
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Post by Ykato on Jul 9, 2012 15:35:58 GMT 12
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 10, 2012 22:55:09 GMT 12
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Post by Ykato on Jul 18, 2012 15:24:47 GMT 12
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Post by Ykato on Jul 18, 2012 22:40:24 GMT 12
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Post by Ykato on Jul 18, 2012 22:51:40 GMT 12
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Post by Ykato on Jul 19, 2012 11:48:06 GMT 12
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Post by Ykato on Jul 22, 2012 19:19:23 GMT 12
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Post by ngatimozart on Jul 22, 2012 19:48:12 GMT 12
So from the looks of it we were chasing Japanese diesel subs. Notice they didn't show any US Nuc subs.
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Post by meo4 on Jul 22, 2012 21:30:32 GMT 12
Is that a P3K or P3K2?
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