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Post by ngatimozart on May 9, 2012 16:02:21 GMT 12
Not quite sure where to put this, so apologise if it is in wrong place. This is link to Order of Battle for RIMPAC 2012 www.cpf.navy.mil/rimpac/2012/forces/ It looks like we get to exercise with a very broad range nations including Russia. The exercise is scheduled from 27/6/2012 - 7/8/2012. "Twenty-two nations, 42 surface ships, 6 submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel will participate. Units from Australia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, France, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Russia, Singapore, and the United States will participate. Military personnel from India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Peru, Republic of Philippines, Thailand, Tonga and the United Kingdom will also participate. The countries of Bangladesh, Brunei, Brazil, Cambodia, Papua New Guinea, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka have been invited as observers." (http://www.cpf.navy.mil/rimpac/2012/about/) |
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Post by ErrolC on May 9, 2012 16:26:19 GMT 12
More detailed (and pretter) version at www.cpf.navy.mil/rimpac/2012/forces/e.g. we have: HMNZS Endeavour (A11) HMNZS Te Kaha (F77) Mine countermeasure team Autonomous underwater vehicle Operational diving team SH-2G Super Seasprite P-3K Orion Infantry platoon |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 10, 2012 9:08:46 GMT 12
Yes a bit of a tricky one but as all three NZ services are taking part, the NZDF Board seems the right place i reckon.
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Post by Ykato on May 11, 2012 13:53:40 GMT 12
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Post by phil82 on May 11, 2012 21:19:34 GMT 12
All of which just goes to show that the US has taken 30 years to realise that it was wrong about ANZUS, and the "world's greatest democracy" wasn't in fact when it took umbrage at another democratic country, namely New Zealand, telling it it was wrong!
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Post by adzze on May 11, 2012 23:08:32 GMT 12
As much as I am pleased to see full resumption of military relations, my guess is that the main reason why we're back in the big boys club is because of the rise of a certain country in this half of the world. It's an "inoculation" against that country's growing influence in the Pacific.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 12, 2012 9:33:45 GMT 12
C'mon. Aussie isn't that bad.
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Post by richard1098 on May 12, 2012 10:12:11 GMT 12
All of which just goes to show that the US has taken 30 years to realise that it was wrong about ANZUS, and the "world's greatest democracy" wasn't in fact when it took umbrage at another democratic country, namely New Zealand, telling it it was wrong! Sorry, but I see it differently. The US stance was that while NZ was still a "friend" it was no longer an "ally" in the sense that the NATO countries and Australia remained allies. Apologies for being political, but hasn't NZ moved on from the ethos of Helen Clark and David Lange also? |
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Post by meo4 on May 13, 2012 20:01:09 GMT 12
Good to see NZ back in one of the largest naval exercises in the world. Hopefully I make the 2014 trip damn course.  |
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Post by ngatimozart on Jun 20, 2012 22:43:35 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Jun 30, 2012 16:57:31 GMT 12
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Post by ngatimozart on Jun 30, 2012 20:56:39 GMT 12
Yep but I wonder whether that decision came from PACFLT rather than higher up the food chain. The previous C-IN-C PACCOM and his staff had taken a very atagonistic attitude towards cooperating with NZDF which is the opposite to the relationship NZDF has with the US Central Command where the relationship is very good. It looks like the new C-IN-C PACCOM hasn't changed that attitude. This is the Stars & Stripes story: www.stripes.com/news/old-diplomatic-spat-keeps-kiwis-out-of-pearl-harbor-1.181582 Looks like we got the better end of the deal  |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 1, 2012 17:47:26 GMT 12
RIMPAC includes Japanese forces. Only our ships are banned so does that suggest Japanese ships and aircraft are welcome in Pearl Harbour - certain irony there. Apparently President Roosevelts 'A date which will live in infamy' speech has been forgotten  |
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 1, 2012 18:35:51 GMT 12
RIMPAC includes Japanese forces. Only our ships are banned so does that suggest Japanese ships and aircraft are welcome in Pearl Harbour - certain irony there. Apparently President Roosevelts 'A date which will live in infamy' speech has been forgotten There are 10,000s (more?) of US Forces based in Japan, including a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Banning JSDF ships from a major USN base would be a good way to get such basing rights revoked. This has been the situation for decades (apart from the nuclear-powered bit). |
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Post by htbrst on Jul 1, 2012 18:36:21 GMT 12
RIMPAC includes Japanese forces. Only our ships are banned so does that suggest Japanese ships and aircraft are welcome in Pearl Harbour - certain irony there. Apparently President Roosevelts 'A date which will live in infamy' speech has been forgotten Yeah good point - I'd been thinking along the same lines about the Russians who are at their first RIMPAC. A bit disappointing since steaming into Pearl Harbour could really have put things to bed once and for all |
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Post by raymond on Jul 1, 2012 19:46:29 GMT 12
I believe that the Japanese first went to RIMPAC about 30 years ago I remember a couple of P2's being there don't know about the boats. I also recall that a comms op of ours got bit by a scorpion on Ford Island!
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Post by phil on Jul 2, 2012 13:33:10 GMT 12
RIMPAC includes Japanese forces. Only our ships are banned so does that suggest Japanese ships and aircraft are welcome in Pearl Harbour - certain irony there. Apparently President Roosevelts 'A date which will live in infamy' speech has been forgotten Well to be fair, the Japs have been there before... |
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Post by ngatimozart on Jul 2, 2012 13:42:14 GMT 12
RIMPAC includes Japanese forces. Only our ships are banned so does that suggest Japanese ships and aircraft are welcome in Pearl Harbour - certain irony there. Apparently President Roosevelts 'A date which will live in infamy' speech has been forgotten Well to be fair, the Japs have been there before... And they did leave a rather noticeable calling card |
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Post by lesterpk on Jul 2, 2012 15:29:19 GMT 12
One of the frigates visited San Francisco a couple years back, wasnt allowed into the military port, had to dock at the civvy wharf.
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Post by dav3469 on Jul 3, 2012 5:34:54 GMT 12
I saw the HMNZS Endeavour, and HMNZS Te Kaha (albeit from afar) when I was in Honolulu a few days ago on business. There was also a nice write up in the local paper about the participation. Front page picture and the whole nine yards.
The ships are tied up in Honolulu Harbor adjacent to the Aloha Tower. They were dockside in the space usually occupied by the largest of the passenger ships when in port. Such as the Queen Mary 2 and the like.
As far as not being in Pearl Harbor goes, the average sailor I am sure is appreciative. Night life and such begins right at the end of the gangplank. ;D
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