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Post by scotch on May 10, 2012 17:53:41 GMT 12
So I just got word that I was unsuccessful in my pursuit to becoming to an officer. I got through the entire OASB process with no problem but fell at the final review board in Wellington. While my dream is to serve in the RNZAF, I am also a realist so...
My question is. Should I give up on my pursuit to joining the RNZAF or is there another option for me to take (ie. Going for an enlistee position)?
Any opinions would be very helpful.
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Post by scotch on May 10, 2012 18:24:46 GMT 12
Doubt it'd help but what I meant by the "entire OASB' was that I'd 'passed' the 4/5 testing at the base and that I'd fallen short of the final selection board held in Wellington.
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Post by raymond on May 10, 2012 18:24:48 GMT 12
You have to remember that there are more "ordinary ranks" than there are officers. If it is an aircrew appointment you are after there are a number of roles that can be investigated. In addition if you actually enjoy work (as opposed to being a "manager" ) then there are lots of trades available. You need to have a look and consider where you want to be in a few years. Also there are a number of officers who have "risen" from the ranks!
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Post by phil on May 10, 2012 18:33:05 GMT 12
What branch were you looking to join as?
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scotch
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Post by scotch on May 10, 2012 18:33:18 GMT 12
Thank you 'raymond'.
Basically what I want is a career in the Air Force (to serve my civic duty and more). Your answer does hearten me to an extent as I have always found that when I am provided a single step in, I always pleased. What I am wanting at this point is to see whether there is still a chance for me or whether I should start looking elsewhere.
Regards,
Scotch
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Post by scotch on May 10, 2012 18:38:21 GMT 12
Hi Phil.
I was looking at joining as aircrew but was denied (hence the point of my post).
My main motivation for joining the airforce was to serve my country and fulfill civic duty which is why I am so persistent in getting in. Even if it turned out that I had no chance for aircrew, I would have little hesitation in joining another crew as long as it allowed me to serve in the RNZAF or another area of the NZ defence force.
Scotch
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Post by raymond on May 10, 2012 18:48:59 GMT 12
Hi
I served for 25 years, had a great time and was an OR although I was directly involved in Aircraft maintenance as I was in the Avionics trade. Big buzz was watching an aircraft take off after fixing it!
Im not sure on the aircrew selection process/criteria at the mo but aircrew (and there are a large number of NCO aircrew) were selected from all sorts of different trades in the Airforce. What you may be able to do is to have a chat with your recruiting office and they may have (from your results) an idea what area you could be suited
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Post by beagle on May 10, 2012 21:13:07 GMT 12
At present the only NCO aircrew trades that you can join straight off the street are Air Warfare Specialist (AWS), Flight Steward and Parachute Jump Instructor. The next intake for AWS is likely to be early next year and will be the first course for new personnel to the AWS trade on the P-3K2. hope you know how to cook. or not mind putting on some extra weight. |
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Post by beagle on May 10, 2012 21:27:06 GMT 12
So the next upgrade will see the designation P3K2M
microwave
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 10, 2012 21:55:06 GMT 12
There would not be many vacancies per year for PJI or Flight Steward would there? Do Flight Stewards fly on anything these days other than the Boeing 757's?
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Post by beagle on May 10, 2012 22:25:18 GMT 12
not much call on the CT4
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Post by thebrads on May 11, 2012 5:42:36 GMT 12
Naval Helicopter pilot? Note, unless they have changed the rules since my time, you can't join as a pilot, you transfer over from another stream once in. (This was my intention, having failed air force selection, but changed mind once in navy, as i enjoyed what i was doing too much)
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Post by skyhawkdon on May 11, 2012 7:45:59 GMT 12
If you really want to join the Air Force my advice is to keep applying and trying. I also failed a Percel once but it didn't stop me from having a fantastic 18 year career. I know plenty of people who attempted Percel more than once and got through eventually.
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Post by phil82 on May 11, 2012 9:51:19 GMT 12
If you applied for aircrew and only aircrew, and missed out, take comfort from the fact that so do the majority of applicants! They are looking for a unique set of parameters and missing out for whatever reason doesn't mean failure!
I would do as others here have suggested, go back and talk to the recruiters and see what else might be available
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 11, 2012 10:20:21 GMT 12
That is right what Colin (Phil82) says. More than half the ground crew members I joined up with had failed aircrew selection, and most of them went onto good careers as RNZAF groundcrew members. Many became officers later.
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Post by baronbeeza on May 11, 2012 15:33:34 GMT 12
My main motivation for joining the airforce was to serve my country and fulfill civic duty which is why I am so persistent in getting in. Hmm, I am not so sure about that one. Guys that I knew that got through said they wanted to join for the cheap beer, one of the female officers said she wanted to meet men... One guy said he was after a VC, as a civilian it was never going to happen. All pretty straightforward answers and they give little for the Pyschs to quiz you further on. Being in the mob is better than being unemployed could be another good reason. Joining up so you get the chance to legally kill people would have you chatting to them for the rest of the interview. I have to agree with all the previous answers. Indeed I think you may have even answered your own question right at the very start of this thread. You don't say your age. I would try for Persel again until age 21. Tick a few more boxes as well though. After that age you may even have yourself either qualified as direct entry Officer or in a good position for a ground trade. Just remember the RNZAF needs people. They spend thousand on advertising and recruiting/training. While there were some very smart cookies in the mob there are a few who have less wattage. The current Director of Civil Aviation went through as an Avionics recruit.... probably commissioned from Sgt if I recall correctly. He was a very switched on NCO.. |
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Post by sqwark2k on May 12, 2012 0:33:47 GMT 12
Curious to know, were you advised if it was the aircrew or officer qualities that you missed out on? I'd recommend getting in on a ground trade or if it was Officer that you were deemed unsutiable, non-commissioned aircrew and re-muster for Pilot after trade qualification. That way they'll have a lot more knowledge of you as a person and how you applied yourself to your trade training. Alot of recent wings courses have had decent amounts of CFR (commissioned from the ranks) i.e Aircraft techs etc re-mustering as Officer Aircrew.
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Post by BATLDR on May 14, 2012 13:07:35 GMT 12
Dude, talk to the recruiters and check out your options.
Don't give up, or you will regret the shit out of it!
I failed the initial test when i was year 13 then went back just over a year later and passed.
Generally when it comes to the board they have a list of names in order of rank (best candidates at the top, worst at the bottom), then they get told by PTS that they can take 4 students on the next course so they take the top 4 and cut the next 6 or so. If they need 10, then obviously more will make it. The moral of the story is that you made it a very long way through, so your chances of getting through are up there.
Cheers.
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Post by flyjoe180 on May 14, 2012 16:34:29 GMT 12
They will need more Seasprite pilots soon  |
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