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Post by luke6745 on May 14, 2012 18:38:24 GMT 12
Just saw on ONE News that 2 IPVs may have to be put out of service because of a lack of personnel?
Is that from budget cuts or resignations?
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Post by Chris F on May 14, 2012 18:57:11 GMT 12
I seen that....they are been put out because of a lack of crewing....they can only crew two of them.....what next?
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Post by meo4 on May 14, 2012 20:21:30 GMT 12
Reduced availability basicially lack of numbers , one frigate in refit also .
Doing big recruiting drive in UK taking on experienced Royal Navy sailors to boost numbers.
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Post by beagle on May 14, 2012 21:20:37 GMT 12
Is their no Naval Reserve to man these boats
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Post by ngatimozart on May 14, 2012 21:42:13 GMT 12
Is their no Naval Reserve to man these boats In theory yes, but given that most of those in the RNZNVR probably don't have a lot of sea time now compared to what we had when we had ships up until the late1990s. When I was at Pegasus we could usually crew the Kiwi, although on some occasions we did short crew, or we got volunteers from other Divisions. Because each Divison had a ship it could be used in weekends for training etc., so you were able to build up experience and familiarity with the vessel. Now that they don't they can't, so to put Rockies on one or more of the current IPVs would mean work up time & heaps of training = costs. This negates the cost cutting which is at the core of this whole stupid saga. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 15, 2012 19:48:35 GMT 12
Does the NZDF no longer implement the two year reserve period for people who have left the service, in which time they can be called back when a trade goes 'critically manned'? Can't they just call back enough recently left officers and crew to put on the ship? Or do they simply choose not to because it's all part of cutting costs?
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Post by beagle on May 15, 2012 20:19:34 GMT 12
They are probably gone overseas Dave.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 15, 2012 20:23:12 GMT 12
But surely that would not stop their contract they signed with NZDF when they left, agreeing to be on the Reserve.
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Post by meo4 on May 15, 2012 20:58:33 GMT 12
Reduced availability has skeleton crew but has contingency plan to crew ipv for emergency or disaster. Basically it's to maintain ship shore ratio give shore postings bit of home time to crew who have been ship jumping for past two years.
Lack of personnel means there's sometimes nobody to replace crew on ship and instead of pulling all available crew from shore postings they have tied to ships up.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 15, 2012 21:14:43 GMT 12
I guess mothballing it for a while will prolong its life?
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Post by ngatimozart on May 15, 2012 21:35:32 GMT 12
I guess mothballing it for a while will prolong its life? I believe so and we aren't the only navy with these issues. The RAN have "mothballed" two of their eight ANZAC frigates to reduce costs and because of crewing difficulties. However it is believed the two ships will get the ANZAC upgrade which the RAN is currrently doing. |
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Post by ngatimozart on May 15, 2012 21:39:04 GMT 12
Does the NZDF no longer implement the two year reserve period for people who have left the service, in which time they can be called back when a trade goes 'critically manned'? Can't they just call back enough recently left officers and crew to put on the ship? Or do they simply choose not to because it's all part of cutting costs? They won't because it costs money and they have been forced into a cost cutting mode. The NZG and CDF denies a low morale problem in the forces but rumours circulating tell a different story and we'll just have to wait and see what happens. This is a very bad time for NZDF and NZ security. |
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Post by beagle on May 15, 2012 21:50:15 GMT 12
Everybody expands their military in wartime..
Who could we invade.?
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Post by lesterpk on May 16, 2012 0:23:46 GMT 12
I have a 4 year reserve liability, but they have to find me first ;-)
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Post by jonesy on May 16, 2012 8:51:13 GMT 12
Everybody expands their military in wartime.. Who could we invade.? Australia. We''ve currently got about 400,000 infiltrated into their society, and still sending more every week! We've got people already in military establishments as we speak.They'll never know what hit them. Its top secret tho, so some of the people sent over may look like dropkicks and bludgers....good disguise!  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 16, 2012 11:09:29 GMT 12
I have a 4 year reserve liability, but they have to find me first ;-) Well when they do call you back they make it worth your while. When i was at Wigram I was called up to the Dental Section. i wasn't due for annual check so wondered what was going on. Anyway it turned out the Army dentist was a hell of a nice chap, and not only that but he was a General. He told me he had been in charge of all dental services across the military. He had retired and got out about six months before, and he'd set up his own dental practice which was going well. Then suddenly loads of dentists left the Army for various reasons and suddenly they were critically manned. He was called back in and rather than being in an office in Wellington he was back on the job as an actual dentist. He said the Army had paid to have another dentist locum cover his practice for the duration he'd be back in the army, so that was still going well, plus he was earning from his Army job doing the same thing he would have done in his practice, so he was really coining it, and I am sure he said they also gave him some bonus for the inconvenience. The upshot of this was they posted him to Wigram and he found he had absolutely minimum work to do. He was bored as hell, so he went through the files of every person on base and found who had wisdom teeth. Each of us were ordered to have them out. He was doing a roaring trade removing wisdom teeth, because he needed the work to do, and as he said we'd all be grateful later if they played up and had to get them out by a civvie dentists at thousands of dollars. He was also the best dentist I have ever had, in terms of technique. I never even felt the needles going in! So, if you are called up they will hopefully look after you financially. They obviously realise what a burden it would be when you've made a new life for yourself. |
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Post by meo4 on May 17, 2012 16:14:57 GMT 12
It started with the MRS renumeration system in 2008 under the previous Labour government . With loss of allowances and pay cuts to the middle ranks they closed off the previous super scheme and replaced with Kiwi saver to save money.
Sort of went downhill from there.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on May 18, 2012 13:25:08 GMT 12
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Post by strikemaster on May 18, 2012 14:26:59 GMT 12
Everybody expands their military in wartime.. Who could we invade.? Australia. We''ve currently got about 400,000 infiltrated into their society, and still sending more every week! We've got people already in military establishments as we speak.They'll never know what hit them. Its top secret tho, so some of the people sent over may look like dropkicks and bludgers....good disguise! But Jonesy, their Rugby team sucks. What about a nice pacific island? French Polynesia? |
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Post by meo4 on May 20, 2012 18:54:57 GMT 12
A funny but true How to simulate being in navy at home written for Royal Navy but applies to anybody that served onboard.
How to Simulate Being in the Navy
1. Buy a dumpster, paint it gray inside and out, and live in it for six months.
(1a. Ex-Submariners - paint it Black outside Pea Green inside)
2. Run all the pipes and wires in your house exposed on the walls.
3. Repaint your entire house every month.
4. Renovate your bathroom. Build a wall across the middle of the bathtub and move the shower head to chest level. When you take showers, make sure you turn off the water while you soap down.
5. Put lube oil in your humidifier and set it on high.
6. Once a week, blow air up your chimney, with a leaf blower and let the wind carry the soot onto your neighbour's house. Ignore his complaints.
7. Once a month, take all major appliances apart and reassemble them.
8. Raise the thresholds and lower the headers of your front and back doors so that you either trip or bang your head every time you pass through them.
9. Disassemble and inspect your lawnmower every week.
10. On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, turn your water heater temperature up to 200 degrees. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, turn the water heater off. On Saturdays and Sundays tell your family they use too much water, so no bathing will be allowed.
11. Raise your bed to within 6 inches of the ceiling, so you can't turn over without getting out and then getting back in.
12. Sleep on the shelf in your closet. Replace the closet door with a curtain. Have your spouse whip open the curtain about 3 hours after you go to sleep, shine a flashlight in your eyes, and say "Sorry, wrong rack."
13. Make your family qualify to operate each appliance in your house
- dishwasher operator, blender technician, etc. Re-qualify every 6 months.
14. Have your neighbour come over each day at 0500 , blow a whistle so loud Helen Keller could hear it, and shout "Reveille, reveille, all hands heave out and lash up.& stow"
15. Have your mother-in-law write down everything she's going to do the following day, then have her make you stand in your back yard at 0600 while she reads it to you.
16. Submit a request chit to your father-in-law requesting permission to leave your house before 1500....... In triplicate.
17. Empty all the garbage bins in your house and sweep the driveway three times a day, whether it needs it or not. "Now sweepers, sweepers, man your brooms, give the ship a clean sweep down fore and aft, empty all shit cans and butt kits!"
18. Have your neighbour collect all your mail for a month, read your magazines, and randomly lose every 5th item before delivering the rest.
19. Watch no TV except for movies played in the middle of the night.
Have your family vote on which movie to watch, then show a different
one-- the same one every night.(preferably SHANE!!
20. When your children are in bed, run into their room with a megaphone shouting "Now Action Stations, Action Stations! All hands man your battle stations!
21. Make your family's menu a week ahead of time without consulting the pantry or refrigerator.
22. Post a menu on the kitchen door informing your family that they are having steak for dinner. Then make them wait in line for an hour. When they finally get to the kitchen, tell them you are out of steak, but they can have dried ham or hot dogs. Repeat daily until they ignore the menu and just ask for hot dogs.
23. Bake a cake. Prop up one side of the pan so the cake bakes unevenly. Spread icing real thick to level it off.
24. Get up every night around midnight and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on stale bread. (mid rats)
25. Set your alarm clock to go off at random during the night. At the alarm, jump up and dress as fast as you can, making sure to button your top shirt button and tuck your pants into your socks.
Run out into the backyard and uncoil the garden hose and put out a simulated fire..
26. Every week or so, throw your cat or dog into the pool and shout "Man overboard, port side!" Rate your family members on how fast they respond.
27. Put the headphones from your stereo on your head, but don't plug them in. Hang a paper cup around your neck on a string. Stand in front of the stove, and speak into the paper cup, "Stove manned and ready." After an hour or so, speak into the cup again "Stove secured." Roll up the headphones and paper cup and stow them in a shoe box.
28. Make your family turn out all the lights and go to bed at 10 p.m. "Now PIPE DOWN! Out Lights ! Maintain silence throughout the ship!" Then immediately have an 18-wheeler crash into your house.
(For aircraft carrier sailors.)
29. Build a fire in a trash can in your garage. Loudly announce to your family, "This is a drill, this is a drill! Fire in hangar bay one!"
30. Place a podium at the end of your driveway. Have your family stand in front of the podium for 4-hour intervals.
(Best done when the weather is worst. January is a good time.)
31. Next time there's a bad thunderstorm in your area, find the biggest horse you can, put a two-inch mattress on his back, strap yourself to it and turn him loose in a barn for six hours. Then get up and go to work.
32. For former engineers: bring your lawn mower into the living room, and run it all day long.
33. Make TEA using eighteen scoops of budget priced TEA per pot, and let the pot simmer for 5 hours before drinking.
34. Have someone under the age of ten give you a haircut with sheep shears.
35. Sew the back pockets of your jeans onto the front.
36. Add 1/3 cup of diesel fuel to the laundry.
37. Take hourly readings on your electric and water meters.
38. Every couple of weeks, dress up in your best clothes and go to the scummiest part of town. Find the most run down, trashiest bar, and drink beer until you are hammered. Then walk all the way home.
39. FOR Ex-Submariners....Lock yourself and your family in the house for six weeks. Tell them that at the end of the 6th week you'll take them to Disney World for liberty. At the end of the 6th week, inform them the trip to Disney World has been cancelled because they need to get ready for an inspection, and it will be another week before they can leave the house.
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