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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 1, 2012 8:12:27 GMT 12
It's interesting that a flag specifically designed for New Zealand civil aviation has fallen into disuse. According to the regulations, NZ registered aircraft, Airline HQ's that have NZ-registered aircraft, and airfields can display the flag (I assume for the former, it would be painted). Have any folk out there seen the actual flag lately? Attachments:
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 1, 2012 11:55:34 GMT 12
Errr, talk about an ugly flag!
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 1, 2012 13:49:03 GMT 12
Errr, talk about an ugly flag! I think it looks quite neat...
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Post by baz62 on Sept 1, 2012 17:03:23 GMT 12
That makes two of us Expat!
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Sept 1, 2012 17:08:52 GMT 12
Errr, talk about an ugly flag! It has that old hangover from the dim-darks of the former British Empire in the top left-hand corner!
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Post by Officer Crabtree on Sept 1, 2012 22:46:51 GMT 12
Actually, it looks like they took the English flag (you know, the red cross on a white background), turned the red blue, the white light blue, and added a union jack and some stars. Its not ugly, but it has too much going on. Flags should be simple. My two cents
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 2, 2012 4:30:29 GMT 12
Actually, it looks like they took the English flag (you know, the red cross on a white background), turned the red blue, the white light blue, and added a union jack and some stars. Its not ugly, but it has too much going on. Flags should be simple. My two cents Good Moaning to you too, Crabtree. Well, they could always remove the Union Jack and put the four red stars there in its place....
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Post by flyjoe180 on Sept 4, 2012 10:16:57 GMT 12
Macfire has it as his avatar.
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 4, 2012 11:19:20 GMT 12
Macfire has it as his avatar. I noticed that. BTW I have an actual flag and display it from my Arkansas home from time to time... The shade of blue used is called "Cambridge Blue".
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 5, 2012 14:59:39 GMT 12
Talking of Ensigns, who thinks the RNZAF one is somewhat drab & dare I say colonial? I saw the RAAF one the other night on the news and it is the Australian national flag on a light blue background. The RNZN Ensign is the NZ national flag on white background, so why can't the RNZAF have the NZ national flag on a light blue background, or failing, that get rid of the RAF roundel with NZ in it and replace it with the current official RNZAF roundel.
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Post by baz62 on Sept 5, 2012 15:20:23 GMT 12
Yeah good idea ngatimozart!
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Post by Tony on Sept 5, 2012 17:46:57 GMT 12
The current RAAF Ensign - 1982 Onwards: Before that the roundel was the RAF type and was in use from 1948 - 1982 and before that the RAF Ensign was used.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 5, 2012 22:19:51 GMT 12
I prefer the current RNZAF Ensign any day
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 7, 2012 5:13:23 GMT 12
I prefer the current RNZAF Ensign any day This one?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 7, 2012 9:51:21 GMT 12
Of course. It's a great symbol with a lot of history. As the RSA stickers say, KEEP IT THIS WAY, and that goes for the New Zealand Flag too.
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 7, 2012 15:34:28 GMT 12
Of course. It's a great symbol with a lot of history. As the RSA stickers say, KEEP IT THIS WAY, and that goes for the New Zealand Flag too. 8am and 5pm, if you were in sight of the flagpole, You came to attention while the flag was being either raised or lowered. Of course for officers, they saluted. Over here in USA, the only people who don't salute when Old Glory is raised or lowered are military prisoners.
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 7, 2012 20:18:26 GMT 12
I disagree Dave about the RNZAF ensign. It should reflect our Air Force and our country. Our nations flag has four red stars in it, as does the white ensign and so should the RNZAF Ensign along with the RNZAF Roundel under the Union Jack. If you want history it is reflected in the roundel, the light blue background and the Union Jack. History is an ongoing story and if you look at the RAAF ensign you can read the narrative from that. Ours would be no different. We are an independant Air Force so our ensign should reflect that.
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 8, 2012 1:39:12 GMT 12
I disagree Dave about the RNZAF ensign. It should reflect our Air Force and our country. Our nations flag has four red stars in it, as does the white ensign and so should the RNZAF Ensign along with the RNZAF Roundel under the Union Jack. If you want history it is reflected in the roundel, the light blue background and the Union Jack. History is an ongoing story and if you look at the RAAF ensign you can read the narrative from that. Ours would be no different. We are an independant Air Force so our ensign should reflect that. Well, let's look at alternatives: If we simply use the current RNZAF roundel in place of the current one on the flag, we would have this: If we use the example of the RAAF Flag as a basis for an alternative design, we would have this: If we use the example of the NZ Police and Fire Service Flags (they have the NZ National Flag in the canton of their flags): Take your pick.
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 9, 2012 12:17:44 GMT 12
Getting back to the Civil Air Ensign itself, There's always this variant:
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Post by expatkiwi on Sept 10, 2012 16:21:56 GMT 12
The following is a reprint from the official NZ Government booklet on the flags of New Zealand:
The New Zealand Civil Air Ensign may be flown on any New Zealand aircraft, licensed aerodrome, or place authorised as an aerodrome. Airlines owning New Zealand aircraft may fly the ensign upon or close to their main office or place of business.
The Civil Aviation Authority of New Zealand may also fly the New Zealand Civil Air Ensign on its buildings and aircraft. To fly the Ensign you must get permission in writing from the Director of Civil Aviation (address below).
The New Zealand Civil Air Ensign features a dark blue Latin cross edged with white on a light blue background. A Union Jack appears in the first quarter and four five-pointed red stars in the lower half of the fly.
Send any inquiries about the New Zealand Civil Air Ensign to:
The Director of Civil Aviation Civil Aviation Authority of New Zealand Aviation House PO Box 31441 LOWER HUTT 6315
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