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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 18, 2012 15:20:11 GMT 12
Does anyone here know who came up with the idea of air displaying the RNZAF No. 40 Squadron Boeing 727 at airshows?
Who was in the first crew that worked up ther impressive display?
And when was it developed, and first shown to the public?
Was it part of the squadron's thing from the early 1980's or did it come along a lot later?
Was there much hassle getting approval to throw around the big airliners?
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Post by beagle on Nov 18, 2012 16:11:43 GMT 12
Not sure Dave, but by far the best display I saw was from John Cotton
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Post by McFly on Nov 18, 2012 17:03:40 GMT 12
Not sure Dave, but by far the best display I saw was from John Cotton And by magic, here it is...    |
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Post by jonesy on Nov 18, 2012 17:27:21 GMT 12
Now that wouldve been a white knuckle ride for anyone in the cheap seats of that 727!!
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Post by phil82 on Nov 18, 2012 18:40:52 GMT 12
I did hear that, at one air display at Whenuapai when the 727 did it's thing, a Boeing representitive commented that "he had never, ever, seen a 727 better handled".
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Post by beagle on Nov 18, 2012 20:41:31 GMT 12
was mr mcfly on the flight line that day, or away doing a prop or engine change somewhere exotic.
From memory I was assisting with an engine run on 5 Sqn
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Post by McFly on Nov 18, 2012 21:42:23 GMT 12
A couple of videos of the 727 displaying...  And a high speed pass to finish with... ;D |
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Post by machpants on Nov 23, 2012 12:53:54 GMT 12
I know they always impressed the the hell out of the RAF multi guys, me too!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 23, 2012 16:10:55 GMT 12
I heard very recently that authorities in both the RAF and USAF have decided that the current Boeing 757 display is an "accident waiting to happen" and they don't want it at their airshows any more. Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by beagle on Nov 23, 2012 16:54:36 GMT 12
They are just jealous
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 24, 2012 13:18:06 GMT 12
I heard very recently that authorities in both the RAF and USAF have decided that the current Boeing 757 display is an "accident waiting to happen" and they don't want it at their airshows any more. Can anyone confirm this? Wouldn't surprise me. Some of the manouvres performed are getting pretty close to the edge of the envelope, which would no doubt make some authorities nervous. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 24, 2012 13:23:32 GMT 12
It would be a shame to see our only RNZAF fixed wing jet display curbed by authorities but it would be much worse to see one of the aircraft and its crew lost. They don't seem to perform at NZ airshows now anyway in the Boeings.
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 24, 2012 13:37:56 GMT 12
I think the Hercules upgrade 'fiasco' has meant that the B757 fleet has been under a fair amount of operational pressure over the past couple of years, so air show appearance would suffer as a consequence.
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Post by mowgli on Nov 26, 2012 15:24:18 GMT 12
I once spoke to a 757 pilot following a display at Ohakea. He said the display was mostly smoke and mirrors, well within the envelope. It looked impressive because no one else was displaying large aircraft quite like that. Bravado? Over confidence? Or the truth? I'll never know.
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Post by marksandstad on Nov 29, 2012 13:53:08 GMT 12
Greetings all, names Mark, aircraft mad.
I am wanting to write an account of the 757 conversion done in Mobile Alabama 1990 - 2000.
Any thoughts, photos etc that can be shared would be most welcome.
Mark
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Post by trimotor on Nov 1, 2014 2:13:29 GMT 12
The secret of a good display is to make it look like there's danger and edge of the envelop operations when they aren't really. Does anyone recall Mark Cooks Huey display from about ''99 or '00, where it looked like he had the helo upside down? Actually doing that would have been madness, but the punters would swear he had. Actually, some of the more difficult portions of the displays are the parts that look the simplest. I have no doubt that the 757 display falls neatly into that category.
After John C's display practice, generating the still photos above, resulted in "no Boeing displays": 727 displays were verboten for some years. Eventually, they were introduced, with provisos, which were gradually relaxed as confidence was restored.I was fortunate enough to fly a number in the late 90's (prob the OH display vid above). I'd been luck enough to display several other aircraft (singly or in formation), and while they might not have been high profile events, all had their challenges.
Unfortunately, a 'pilot's' display is not required for an airshow presentation for the average lolly-licker.
There's a lot to think about when planning and practising a display; rules (altitudes and distances from the crowd, when turning towards the crowd, for a start), how best to show the aircraft off (if you have a slow aeroplane, don't try and go fast), keeping the display in front of the crowd (boring if you disappear over the horizon at the speed of heat, only to return ages later when you've got it slowed down again), etc, etc.
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