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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 20, 2011 10:54:23 GMT 12
Am I seeing correctly - does that photo of NZ1016 show it with HQ-6 markings, in a yellow or a bare metal scheme? HQ was the codes of No. 14 (Fighter) Squadron in 1942, so was this one of their Harvards or is this from a later period? Fascinating stuff.
I was wondering about all the Harvards you've not yet found photos of, have you looked through the Barrie Reid collection which is on a long thread on the forum? There's heaps of photos of Harvards on that, includng lots of NZ1015 and NZ1050 from memory.
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Post by corsair67 on Feb 20, 2011 11:08:14 GMT 12
Another thing I am curious about is what markings would the Harvards have come to NZ in: British or US?
I see that most, if not all, the Harvards came from British orders, but I wonder if they'd had come out of the factory with the British makings applied, or stock, standard US stars and bars?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 20, 2011 12:44:07 GMT 12
I am pretty sure that, as they were intended for RAF and Fleet Air Arm orders, they'd have had the British roundels applied in the factory. I very much doubt any had stars and bars.
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 18, 2011 19:13:55 GMT 12
Does Ashburton have a Salvation Army Hall?
I'm thinking that the photo of NZ1012 could have been taken after the purchase by the Ashburton group during their early fund raising activities.
You guys are on to this already, but yes, in the early days, the AAM campaigned the Harvard at various venues to raise awareness of the fledgling group and to attract funds. Among the venues were car yards, an open day at The Plains Railway and as depicted, the Salvation Army Hall.
Thank God for the Sallies eh?
They are great photos of 1012. I haven't been on this thread for a while. Being a Harvard Junkie, I absolutely love it !
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 18, 2011 19:16:05 GMT 12
Also got me thinking, as noted we paid $2500 NZD for a complete Harvard. When I visited Texas last year just one mae west wheel fairing was $2800 US. Amazing eh?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 18, 2011 19:34:05 GMT 12
Cripes! That is a big difference in price. But then 30+ years have passed. I guess there were no US State Dept restrictions in selling them to civvies back then?
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Post by harvard1041 on Apr 18, 2011 21:37:18 GMT 12
With Classic Fighters coming up in a few days, thought should share a photo of the work a few of us have got up to in the last while - have put NZ1041 back into the colours it had while on 4(F)OTU at Ohakea in 1944. 1041 came out of North American Dallas in Apr 43 - in the standard at the time - silver with green glareshiled scheme, RAF roundels etc ( the details of this are in the -2 Manuals and the various NAA dwgs collected over the years ) and then when on 4 OTU had (in red) the OD-4 markings, cowl and red cowl number added. 4 OTU had Harvards and P-40s on strength - the Hvds being OD-1 to OD-10 with the P-40s going on from there.... has taken a while to track down some 'OD' coded Harvard photos ( about 20 years ! ) and talking to a couple of historians and Staff pilots - but the net result is as below.... Aircraft should be in Restoration Row at Omaka - shame I can't make the show - still on the road working - up here in Iceland. Rgds Hvd1041  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 18, 2011 22:02:02 GMT 12
The cat is finally out of the bag. Well done John. Marty and the team for recreating this unusual and historic training scheme, and it's great to see the progress on NZ1041's restoration too.
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Post by baz62 on Apr 19, 2011 17:47:24 GMT 12
That looks fantastic John, it will certainly be an eye catching addition to the static line up. Well done all! ;D Shame you can't make it John, we will take lots of photos and video for you!!  |
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Post by NZ1009 on Apr 30, 2011 17:51:20 GMT 12
Some MKIIAs - All RNZAF or RNZAF Museum official, comments from ADF Serials, accidents (up until 1956) from NZ Archives: NZ1019 Mk IIA Previously EX327. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "USA TV No. 389" in November 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 01 December 1942. Twenty first Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. Crashed at Wigram after ground looping and wiping off undercarriage 17 February 1959. Airframe written off books Wigram 21 April 1959. Engine retained as serviceable. 9-Mar 1943 Seagrove Wing fault 24-Jul 1944 Ardmore Landed undercarriage up 30-Jan 1957 Wigram Pilot error    NZ1020 Mk IIA 88-9841 Previously EX328. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Transport 67" in October 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 07 November 1942. Allocated to 22 (Army Co-op) Squadron, Norwood March-May 1943. To 21 (Army Co-op) Squadron, Milson May-August 1943. Twenty third Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. Crashed 1 mile south of Birdlings Flat while inspecting rocket range at 0955 hours on 15 April 1957. The aircraft had verified that the range was clear of shipping and was flying low along the beach when it hit a sand dune. Flight Lieutenant Bruce McGill and journalist John Bridgman killed. Airframe written off Wigram 18 June 1957 and engine alloted to Woodbourne for reduction to spares 05 July 1957. 25-Feb 1957 Harewood Pilot error on landing   NZ1023 Mk IIA Previously EX422. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Trivervank" in December 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 18 January 1943. Allocated to 22 (Army Co-op) Squadron Norwood, March-May 1943. To 21 (Army Co-op) Squadron Milson, May-August 1943. With No.25 Squadron from December 1943. With No.42 Squadron 15 January 1952-01 May 1956. Twenty ninth Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. Declared surplus to requirements and converted to INST189 with No. 4 TTS Woodbourne 22 August 1962. Sold to Engine Support Inc., Florida, USA in July 1978. To The Aircraft Preservation Group, Auckland. To B. Candler, Chapman, ACT as VH-CRC on 08 February 1988. To D. Cordy, Marong, Victoria on 15 October 1992. Airworthy and flying in Australia. NZ1022 and NZ1023 4-Aug 1943 Palmerston North Collision on ground     |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 1, 2011 14:26:48 GMT 12
More great shots! Thanks for these ones.
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Post by baz62 on May 2, 2011 18:51:56 GMT 12
Where would that last shot be? Looks like a little station somewhere? Birdlings Flat?
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Post by skyhawkdon on May 2, 2011 19:44:10 GMT 12
Looks like Woodbourne.
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Post by lumpy on May 2, 2011 19:51:24 GMT 12
Think you are probabally right . That does look like the old control tower , and the hangars etc would be to the right and behind the photographer . |
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Post by flyjoe180 on May 2, 2011 20:40:38 GMT 12
Think you are probabally right . That does look like the old control tower , and the hangars etc would be to the right and behind the photographer . I agree with that. The terrain looks like Woodbourne too. |
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Post by baz62 on May 2, 2011 21:40:32 GMT 12
Changed a bit then? ;D
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Post by lumpy on May 2, 2011 22:43:53 GMT 12
Ha ha , no , not really . Its just that most of the reconisable land marks are behind the camera ( but the old tower is reconisable ) . The shot is taken facing west , up the valley (or to your right , if you were sitting in the gold pass stand at Omaka ) ;D |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 2, 2011 23:23:28 GMT 12
These lovely shots were taken by Leyton Stephenson on his box brownie I believe. Aircraft from No. 2 Service Flying Training School. Woodbourne.   |
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Post by NZ1009 on May 4, 2011 22:11:12 GMT 12
Nice photos of 987 and 990 there Dave! Some MKIIAs - All RNZAF or RNZAF Museum official, comments from ADF Serials, accidents (up until 1956) from NZ Archives: NZ1024 Mk IIA 88-10253 Previously EX423. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Trivervank" in December 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 18 January 1943. Allocated to 22 (Army Co-op) Squadron Norwood, March-May 1943. To 21 (Army Co-op) Squadron Milson, May-August 1943. With No.3 (TAF) Squadron 10 August 1950-31 March 1955. Seventh Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. To storage at Wigram July 1962. Declared surplus to requirements and sold by GSB tender number 02110 09 October 1978 to F. Pike, Maroubra, NSW, Australia for $2000. Price included propellor but no engine. Shipped to Melbourne in July 1978. To display at Drages Airworld. To D. Hamilton, Whorouly, Victoria as VH-XNZ on 27 February 1991. Airworthy and flying in Australia. NZ1024 11-Sep 1944 Ohakea Swung take off NZ1024 11-Jun 1953 Wigram Hit tree low fly NZ1024 15-Oct 1953 Wigram Hit power lines NZ1024 24-May 1954 Ohakea Cross wind land    NZ1025 Mk IIA Previously EX424. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Trivervank" in December 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 18 January 1943. Allocated to 22 (Army Co-op) Squadron Norwood, March-May 1943. To 21 (Army Co-op) Squadron Milson, May-August 1943. With No.2 FOTU, Ohakea late 1944. With No.1 (TAF) Squadron 11 September 1950-28 November 1951, 29 August 1952-22 August 1955. Fourteenth Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. To storage at Wigram July 1962. Sold by GSB tender in 1978 to Engine Support Inc. Florida, USA with 1552 airframe hours. To J. Sullivan and D. Diamond, Timaru as ZK-ENN on 30 June 1980. First flight as ZK-ENN 14 August 1980. To J. Greenstreet, Auckland on 22 December 1987. Crashed Ardmore during aerobatic display practice on 25 February 1990 and cancelled from register on 18 March 1992. NZ1025 31-May 1943 Palmerston North Retracted undercarriage NZ1025 11-Jan 1944 Ohakea Hit cable, low flying NZ1025 18-Nov 1951 Helensville Hit power lines      NZ1029 Mk IIA Previously EX428. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Trivervank" in December 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 18 January 1943. Allocated to 22 (Army Co-op) Squadron Norwood, March-May 1943. To 21 (Army Co-op) Squadron Milson, May-August 1943. Twentieth Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. To storage at Wigram July 1962. Disposed of through GSB tender 26 October 1962. Later scrapped. NZ1029 12-Jun 1944 Tauranga Undershot land NZ1029 23-Aug 1944 Tauranga Hit obstruction land     |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 4, 2011 23:11:33 GMT 12
Does anyone know where that photo of NZ1024 was taken where it is sitting on the metal Marsden matting? I wasn't aware of any of that in use at NZ stations.
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