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Post by mit on Nov 11, 2011 19:13:14 GMT 12
Sad seeing 1040 again knowing all the work put into her (eh Shorty.) Love to see her one day and check out my rivetting on the rear fuse! ;D That wouldn't happen to be an Auster tail in the foreground would it Baz? I found this pic on line yesterday as well.  the description was; “Before being posted overseas during the Second World War, Piha surf club member, Ernie Laurie, used to fly from Hobsonville to strafe Piha…” From here; xplanes.tumblr.com/post/84971161/before-being-posted-overseas-during-the-second |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 11, 2011 19:36:25 GMT 12
That shot of Lion Rock and the Harvard is brilliant. I'd love to see a clearer print of it.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Nov 11, 2011 19:47:33 GMT 12
Really cool. Imagine the penalty for that low flying today.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Nov 11, 2011 20:09:53 GMT 12
NZ1092 became the foundation of the current warbirds movement in New Zealand when it was sold to the NZ Warbirds Association in June 1978. Registered as ZK-WAR in 1978, it flew for many years in a camouflage colour scheme ZK-WAR at Ardmore September 2008 The aircraft has recently been repainted into US Navy colours Taxiing at Ardmore June 2010 The registration ZK-XII has been allotted to a rebuild of Harvard II NZ977, which crashed in the Kaikoura Ranges 22Mar42. The rebuild by the NZ977 Syndicate (G M & P E Ryan & I W Macalister), of Papakura includes parts of NZ989 & fuselage of NZ1038. Although the registration was issued in May 1990, it was cancelled in March 1999. I have never seen this one. Although not ex-RNZAF, two other civil Harvards have resided in New Zealand. These are: Harvard 3* ZK-XSA, ex-SAAF '7660' Registered to the Graham Orphan/John Kelly Syndicate, Blenheim 21Nov1996, to the Harvard 7660 Syndicate, Rangiora 16Feb2000 ZK-XSA at Omaka April 2007 Canadian Car Harvard IV ZK-ZRO. Having served with the RCAF as '20362', this Harvard was civilianised as N15798 in 1968 with Twentieth Century Fox Films, Beverly Hills, CA and cosmetically converted to resemble a Mitsubishi A6M Zero for film work by November 1968 painted as 'A1-110'. After passing through a number of US owners, it was bought by the Alpine Fighter Collection in 1992 and moved to NZ. Issued with the registration ZK-ZRO in 1998, it flew in the Wanaka airshows as "288". Eventually sold to an Australian owner in 2000, it flew Kaitaia - Norfolk Island - Lord Howe Island - Toowoomba 4/6th October 2000 and became VH-ZRO ZK-ZRO passing through Ardmore heading for Australia 2000  ends |
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Post by hairy on Nov 12, 2011 20:51:02 GMT 12
The registration ZK-XII has been allotted to a rebuild of Harvard II NZ977, which crashed in the Kaikoura Ranges 22Mar42. The rebuild by the NZ977 Syndicate (G M & P E Ryan & I W Macalister), of Papakura includes parts of NZ989 & fuselage of NZ1038. Although the registration was issued in May 1990, it was cancelled in March 1999. I have never seen this one. Woo Hoo, I actually have one that you don't..................... ;D Admittedly it's a pretty rotten photo with the actual aircraft covered with sheets, but here is NZ977 in Greg Ryans hangar at Ardmore in December 2006.   According to Greg this frame that was hanging in the hangar is NZ1039.   |
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Post by hairy on Nov 12, 2011 21:12:21 GMT 12
Here is a very squished Harvard, either NZ1073 or 1084.  |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Nov 12, 2011 21:28:21 GMT 12
Crikey, the cockpit is pretty small...
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Post by furyfb11 on Nov 13, 2011 16:00:19 GMT 12
Two names there that became very well known.
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Post by NZ1009 on Nov 13, 2011 16:46:55 GMT 12
The bottom photo is NZ1073 (you can see the top of the 7 on the side of the fuselage). I suspect the top photo is NZ1073 as well.
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Post by NZ1009 on Nov 13, 2011 17:22:02 GMT 12
All RNZAF or RNZAF Museum official, comments from ADF Serials, accidents (up until 1956) from NZ Archives: NZ947 Mk II Issued to NZ under Empire Air Training Scheme. Shipped to New Zealand on "Waiotapu" in May 1941 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 05 July 1941. To No.1 SFTS Wigram. Collided with Oxford NZ1332 on landing at Woodbourne 23 April 1942. To ATS, Woodbourne by May 1944. Declared surplus on SR416/58 and sold by GSB tender number 7078 to Bennett Aviation Ltd., Te Kuiti for forty pounds. NZ987 76-3844 Mk II Previously AJ874. From British Purchasing Mission contracts. Shipped to New Zealand on "Hauraki" in December 1941 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 05 January 1942. Declared surplus on SR416/58 and sold by GSB tender number 7078 to Bennett Aviation Ltd., Te Kuiti for forty pounds. Remains noted at scrapyard in Bexley, Christchurch in January 1962 prior to melting down. NZ987 and NZ922 20-Apr 1945 Wigram Collided on ground  NZ949 66-2762 Mk II Issued to NZ under Empire Air Training Scheme. Shipped to New Zealand on "Waiotapu" in May 1941 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 05 July 1941. To No.1 SFTS Wigram. To No.2 SFTS Woodbourne. Crashed into sea on training flight from Woodbourne 18 December 1942. The aircraft was seen descending through cloud in a spin and did not recover before hitting the sea. Pilot Officer Gerald Odlin and LAC William Johnson killed. Written off books at Woodbourne on 12 February 1943.  NZ963 66-2776 Mk II Issued to NZ under Empire Air Training Scheme. Shipped to New Zealand on "Waiotapu" in May 1941 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 20 May 1941. With No.2 SFTS, Woodbourne by March 1942. To ATS, Woodbourne by May 1944. Declared surplus on SR416/58 and sold by GSB tender number 7078 to Bennett Aviation Ltd., Te Kuiti for forty pounds. NZ963 13-Nov 1941 Blenheim Landed undercarriage up NZ963 3-Jul 1942 Woodbourne Landed undercarriage up NZ963 1-Jul 1943 Woodbourne Engine failure NZ963 12-Jun 1944 Woodbourne Controls jammed NZ963 8-May 1945 Wigram Heavy landing, night  NZ1010 Mk IIA Previously EX188. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Waiotapu" in September 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 22 September 1942. With No.1 (TAF) Squadron 06 December 1948-04 May 1950, 11 August 1950-29 February 1952, 26 May 1952-07 July 1952. With No.42 Squadron 22 August 1952-17 August 1955. With No.4 (TAF) Squadron 17 August 1955-24 February 1956. Thirtieth Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. Crashed on PAR training flight near Feilding at 1415 hours on 28 October 1965. The aircraft stalled and spun into the ground on approach in deteriorating weather. Pilot Officer Lawrence Fitzmaurice killed. Written off books at Ohakea 20 December 1965 as reduced to spares. Engine number 101196. Remains noted at scrapyard in Bexley, Christchurch in January 1962 prior to melting down. NZ1010 15-Nov 1943 West Melton Hit hedge on Army exercise NZ1010 12-Aug 1950 Whenuapai Undercarriage retracted NZ1010 19-Jul 1954 Rongotai Engine failure NZ1010 11-Sep 1954 Ohakea Undercarriage retracted  |
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Post by baz62 on Nov 13, 2011 17:23:50 GMT 12
Sad seeing 1040 again knowing all the work put into her (eh Shorty.) Love to see her one day and check out my rivetting on the rear fuse! ;D That wouldn't happen to be an Auster tail in the foreground would it Baz? Might be but that shot is of her up in Auckland (Dairy Flat probably) so nothing to do with little old me. ;D |
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2011 18:23:31 GMT 12
Re NZ 693
Those little bombs being loaded were the most dangerous practice bombs used in the RNZAF.
They were filled with an incredibly dangerous smoke making chemical and had a bursting charge.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think we used them on the Strikemasters as well.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 13, 2011 19:17:25 GMT 12
They used them on Baffins and Vildebeests/Vincents too - proper bombers.
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Post by crewdog on Nov 14, 2011 7:43:39 GMT 12
Greetings everyone, After many months of lurking around and reading this forum I have now finally registered. This Harvard thread is fantastic - the Harvard has played such a huge part in NZ aviation (IMO) and great to see it has such a good following here. Please keep the stories and old photos coming in, you just can't get enough of them! So here now lies a challenge for someone. Hopefully a photo will load of my Dad taken with 2 others during an ATC camp in 1952. He is the good looking dude without the jacket on. Can anyone shed some light on which Harvard it is. My initial thoughts were NZ944 or maybe NZ1044 but it was still around well after the photo was taken. Apparently he thought it was at Weddons but more likely Wigram. I then wondered if the 'buzz' number was just that and is not a reflection of the serial number. Any thoughts??? I fly '78 out of Ardmore and in Feb 2012 I will be taking Dad for a Harvard fly.... 60yrs after this pic of him.  |
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Post by baz62 on Nov 14, 2011 13:24:43 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 14, 2011 13:35:25 GMT 12
NZ944 is at MOTAT isn't it?
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Post by baz62 on Nov 14, 2011 15:31:24 GMT 12
Oh yeah. I thoght that serial number was familiar. There you go crew dog, if the other 2 in the photo are still around you might be able to re-create a piece of family history depending on which one it is, I think NZ1044 is down here somewhere being rebuilt? And if its NZ944 you might be able to arrange something with MOTAT.
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Post by planecrazy4 on Nov 14, 2011 15:47:24 GMT 12
i believe nz1044 is at omaka being rebuilt
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 14, 2011 17:15:26 GMT 12
Air New Zealand's other Harvard NZ1041 is at Omaka.
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Post by crewdog on Nov 14, 2011 18:20:40 GMT 12
Thanks for the input so far. The other 2 guys in the photo are deceased baz62 but it would be cool to get at least dad in a "new" photo on the same a/c.
I was hoping some guru would know which one by the font size or style etc. Is it also possible to be an instructional number e.g inst144? or a buzz number from a training sqn?
I'm probably chasing ghosts but would love for someone to be able to say"yea its ..44 because of the.."
Thanks Crewdog
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