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Post by agalbraith on Jun 9, 2009 21:38:38 GMT 12
1087 seems to have worn a myriad of different schemes!   |
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jun 9, 2009 22:08:32 GMT 12
Hey - great shots there... are most of these in 2 Hangar at WG ? Rgds Hvd1041 I only have vague memories - it was a long time ago, 45 years! As I remember it, there was one (or possibly two) hangars that housed the operational Harvards and Devons, another hangar where the maintenance was carried out and finally a hangar at the far end which housed lots and lots of stored Harvards under canvas covers. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2009 22:10:35 GMT 12
Nice photo of NZ1087 in the one-off trial CFS scheme. The red and white colours must have been very striking on that aircraft.
Ine the other photo, why would there be the dark panel above the Territorial Air Force checkerboard on top of the fuselage?
It would be neat to pick a particular Harvard like NZ1087 and make models of every colour scheme it wore in its long career, you'd end up with a few interesting models I'd think. Or you could do art profiles I guess. Where's phas3e?
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jun 9, 2009 22:31:57 GMT 12
Harvard NZ1076 was another long-term RNZAF survivor. Active until 1977, it was then sold to Rex Brereton, Dunedin in July 1978 and became ZK-ENB with the same owner immediately. At Wigram 26Aug1964: NZ1078 had the misfortune of a forced-landing in 1974, but was restored back to airworthy and survived with the RNZAF until 1977. Sold GSB tender number 022112 to W. Field, Nelson and then passed on to G A Martin & B J Dalliessi, Blenheim who registered it as ZK-ENG in July 1978. At Wigram 29Aug1964: NZ1079 remained active until 1977. Sold to W. Williams, Mount Maunganui 7Aug78, it was never civil registered in NZ but was sold to Paul Brice, Va, USA later in 1978 and was civil registered there retaining it's RNZAF c/s initially as N111PB and later as (more appropriately) N101NZ. At Wigram Apr1976: At Willow Grove NAS as N111PB 1987: Harvard NZ1080 had the misfortune to sustain a fatal crash into Rakaia River 11Aug73. The results can be seen in the post-crash photo posted by Anthony above. Components from this aircraft were used in restoration of NZ1058 at Ferrymead Museum. At Wigram 24Aug1964:  |
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jun 12, 2009 10:01:57 GMT 12
I guess I have stunned everybody here into silence!
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Post by Damon on Jun 12, 2009 11:01:15 GMT 12
Yes you have! The pictures look great.The black and white photos ..is there a story behind them? Were you with the RNZAF at the time at Wigram and able to take the pictures or did you know someone and was able to get on base? Was it a special open day?
Keep them coming Peter, its great to see the Harvards !
Damon
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Post by shamus on Jun 12, 2009 12:41:32 GMT 12
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Post by Bruce on Jun 12, 2009 13:16:03 GMT 12
Nice selection of Pictures Shamus, good to see that quite a few of those machines are survivors too.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2009 13:17:10 GMT 12
Great shots, all of them on this page. What became of NZ1051? Is it still around NZ?
Am I correct in thinking that of all the RNZAF Harvards that made it into civilian hands over 30+ years ago, NZ1025 is the only one to have been destroyed in a crash?
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Post by corsair67 on Jun 12, 2009 14:53:09 GMT 12
Does anyone know what sort of airframe hours most of the Harvards had on them when the remainder were retired in 1977?
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Post by NZ1009 on Jun 12, 2009 17:26:25 GMT 12
agalbraith - thanks very much for the photo of 1020. Peter - this thread has been excellent for me. With regard to the last collection of photos of Harvards, I make the serial / inst numbers to be: 1038, 1051, 1052, 1053, INST157 -> ?, INST175 -> ?, INST176 -> ?, INST177 -> 1089, INST178 -> ?, INST188 -> ?, INST189 -> 1023 Is anyone able to fill in the missing serial numbers? All the serial numbers above are, with the exception of 1089 which is in the Taranaki Transport Museum, still flying! A photo of 1051 prior to the one in the collection above (CFS, mid-1950s) and also one after, resplendent in its new colour scheme and living in Perth.   A couple of other questions I have are, in Reply #715 in Shorty's Some Photos From My Stash, there appears to a substantial portion of the rear fuselage of 1083 which is currently a reserve aircraft for the RNZAF Historic Flight. Why would it be necessary to replace such a large portion of the rear fuselage? Also, does anyone have any idea where the following photo was taken? It was captioned "The RNZAF’s Territorial Airforce flew these Harvards on weekend camps during the early 1950s. (Bert Stapleton, History of New Zealand Aviation, p206)" and shows NZ1046, NZ1050, NZ1057, NZ1037, NZ1015, NZ1010 and NZ1029. I have seen another photo of an NAC DC-3 taken in the identical location.  |
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Post by corsair67 on Jun 12, 2009 17:34:02 GMT 12
I always thought that photo was taken at Wigram?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2009 18:24:08 GMT 12
All the RNZAF's INST numbers matched to serials up till the point the book was written, so will include these Harbards, are in one of Warren Russell's books. I cannot get to it right now but will do soon if no-one beats me to it.
So that's where NZ1051 went. Thanks for that, nice photo of it.
In that last shot of TAF Harvards I've often wonered were the stripes on some deliberately painted yellow, or were they orange stripes that have faded?
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Post by Bruce on Jun 12, 2009 18:33:33 GMT 12
the plain yellow stripes were the original 1950s colour scheme, similar to the RAF scheme of the period. Some received dayglo orange stripes as part of the RNZAf experiments into the effectiveness of the finish (this was just before the period when wing tips and rear fuselages of all training types got the treatment!) hence some, such as '57 glow, (also note the orange wing tips) and the others dont. Faded Dayglo generally goes powdery white rather than yellow (and quickly at that!)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2009 19:02:56 GMT 12
Thanks Bruce, now that I think about it I should have known this. I have seen RNZAF Tiger Moths in the 1950's in the yellow stripes on silver too.
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Post by baz62 on Jun 12, 2009 20:10:46 GMT 12
I always thought that photo was taken at Wigram? Ashburton? Also 8th photo down in Shamus's post of the woodborne set, is that NZ1040 sitting by NZ1038 or INST40? Baz |
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Post by shamus on Jun 12, 2009 21:36:49 GMT 12
nz1009. The serials for the Instructionals are as follows. 175 NZ1082. 176 NZ1086.
177 NZ1089. 178 NZ1090. 188 NZ1007. 189 NZ1023.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2009 21:38:56 GMT 12
Warren Russell's first colour scheme's book says Harvards that became Instuctional Airframes were:
NZ927 = INST44
NZ??? = INST55 (may have just been parts)
NZ1022 = INST80
NZ1059 = INST101
NZ918 = INST135
NZ980 = INST136
NZ??? = INST137 (cockpit only)
NZ1102 = INST138
NZ1000 = INST141
NZ954 = INST142
NZ983 = INST143
NZ946 = INST144
NZ1064 = INST146
NZ1100 = INST149
NZ944 = NZ153
NZ966 = INST166 (later a Vampire got the same INST number)
NZ909 = INST170
NZ1068 = INST172
NZ1069 = INST173
NZ1077 = INST174
NZ1082 = INST175
NZ1086 = INST176
NZ1089 = INST177
NZ1090 = INST178
NZ1046 = INST185
NZ1007 = INST188
NZ1023 = INST189
NZ1014 = INST191
NZ1013 = INST199
NZ1050 = INST207
NZ1034 = INST210
NZ1009 = INST211
NZ1083 = INST212
NZ1087 = INST213
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2009 21:41:40 GMT 12
Ah, you just beat me as I was typing Shamus. Thanks.
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Post by hairy on Jun 12, 2009 23:27:08 GMT 12
NZ954 = INST142 NZ1100 = NZ149 Oh really, are you sure?     |
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