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Post by baz62 on Jun 21, 2009 14:00:02 GMT 12
I believe NZ1050 had this scheme at one time coded 21? Dave you would probably know this.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 21, 2009 15:29:58 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on Jun 21, 2009 15:35:40 GMT 12
Here's NZ1058 at Ferrymead. After a chat with Anthony (agalbraith) he tells me this particular Harvard suffered a wheels up landing after engine failure. There was some suspicion that the centre section was damaged (cracked spar?) so she was retired. Ferrymead got her without engine and prop but as you can see she is all complete now, apart from having her wings removed due to space restrictions(at least in this photo) I don't know if NZ1058 was ever a Red Checkers aircraft as Anthony tells me the markings were added to the cowling at Ferrymead.  Also to the extreme left of the lower shot is the nose of Ferrymeads Mosquito. |
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Post by baz62 on Jun 21, 2009 15:38:25 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on Jun 21, 2009 17:42:27 GMT 12
Last photos for today. These show the rear fusealge of NZ1040 when owned by the (then) Confederate Air Force here in Christchurch. This is in the middle space of the hangar at Christchurch Airport with the painting guys at one end and the vehicle servicing bay at the other. The photo below has a close up of 1040's center section. A crack was found in the spar (The centre section is upside down, the fuel tanks go in the bays at the rear and the wheels retract into either side of the central portion in the lower part of the photo. I think the crack was beside the righthand cleco in the shot(one of the coppery looking things sticking up from the spar).  |
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Post by Damon on Jun 21, 2009 19:44:41 GMT 12
Baz62 ,thanks for the shots of NZ1058.Its the first time I have seen pictures of it so great to see.
Its a shame that 1040 went overseas in the end.Were there no buyers for it here in N.Z. I dont recall ever seeing it advertised in publictions here? I think alot of work had been done on it mostly by Air NZ staff members in one way or another. I remember seeing it at Chch in 1993 .The shots you have posted are similar to mine!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 23, 2009 10:38:08 GMT 12
Does anyone have photos of the Harvards at the time of the disposal and tender process in 1978?
Trevor Bland told me that NZ Warbirds tendered for several Harvards but only got NZ1092, however they later bought three more from Tauranga. What was the process there, had a Tauranga-based dealer got these from Wigram and sold them onto NZ Warbirds as a bulk lot? Does anyone have photos of these three? I assume NZ1075 and NZ1066 were among them as these were the first two NZ Warbirds Harvards to fly.
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Post by baz62 on Jun 23, 2009 16:06:10 GMT 12
Baz62 ,thanks for the shots of NZ1058.Its the first time I have seen pictures of it so great to see. Its a shame that 1040 went overseas in the end.Were there no buyers for it here in N.Z. I dont recall ever seeing it advertised in publictions here? I think alot of work had been done on it mostly by Air NZ staff members in one way or another. I remember seeing it at Chch in 1993 .The shots you have posted are similar to mine! Yes I had left the CAF due to my marriage breaking up and as I was running the show I thought it best someone else took over while I got my self sorted. 6 months later and she was gone to Auckland as the team felt they couldn't go on. Wish someone had asked me! Anyway she was sold to Australia to help finance the rebuild of NZ1082 etc. Jim Massey who was an Air New Zealand engineer was the prime engineer on 1040. I came along a bit later in the piece so am not sure who else worked on her prior to me coming on board around 1987. I do know a coupe of ANZ guys where doing the centre section repair. But every Sunday afternoon and Tuesday night myself, Jim, Alastair Brass,Ross Saunders and a few others whose names escape me at present toiled in the hangar on her. I did a fair bit of riveting on the rear fuselage in which we replaced the lower skin and the top skins due to damage and/or corrosion. The rear fuse was cleaned and prepped inside and out a a nice coat of zinc Chromate sprayed into every nook and cranny. Interestingly 1040 is a MK2A* but had a MK3 rear fuselage. Probably done during overhaul when fuselages were probably not matched with fuselage frames and centre sections as they were interchangeable. The centre section was nearly finished with the undercarriage castings back in after crack testing etc and we replaced the rear skins at the top rear over the flap bay. The cockpits were being fitted out and we were pretty close to mounting the fuselage back on the centresection once the repair was carried out. Shorty(who started the project I believe) got me involved with her and I remember meeting Pete Street ex RNZAF involved with her restoration and we found his name in her logbooks as he did some in-storage servicing on her in the 1960s! Small world indeed. |
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Post by shorty on Jun 23, 2009 17:59:08 GMT 12
I left the CAF for the same reason!
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Post by baz62 on Jun 23, 2009 19:16:15 GMT 12
Yes pity I didn't meet my current wife sooner, she thinks if I get the opportunity to get AUH back and we can afford it then go for it. Where was she 20 years ago!!
Ahh well thats life.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jun 23, 2009 21:17:43 GMT 12
Trevor Bland told me that NZ Warbirds tendered for several Harvards but only got NZ1092, however they later bought three more from Tauranga. What was the process there, had a Tauranga-based dealer got these from Wigram and sold them onto NZ Warbirds as a bulk lot? Does anyone have photos of these three? I assume NZ1075 and NZ1066 were among them as these were the first two NZ Warbirds Harvards to fly. W Williams of Mt Maunganui bought NZ1056 '65 '66 '78 '85 '91 '96 and paid $6300 - $8320 each for them. He's probably the fellow you mean. Warbirds paid $1000 for NZ1092/ZK-WAR including engine. No wonder they were outbid for the others. |
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Post by bazzaboeing on Jun 23, 2009 22:17:56 GMT 12
Hey Baz 62 do you know where Harvard 58 forcelanded and when? I can remember as a young lad many moons ago when I lived near Leeston (20 Miles south of CHC near Lake Ellesmere) I was at the dentist one afternoon when someone came in and said an aircraft had crashed just outside the township. As soon as I got out of the dentists I roard off on my bike to find it. I found the Harvard in the corner of a paddock looking very forlorn (Wheelsup landing) so pedalled off across the paddock for a closer look. I got a chance to sit in the cockpit for a little while, till they had got a crane and lifted it up then lowered the wheels from memory and then I think took the wings off and towed it back to Wigram. I stand to be corrected because it was a while ago so if anyone knows wether this was Harvard 58 or the identity of this Harvard I would appreciate it. Cheers Bazza  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 23, 2009 22:24:28 GMT 12
Thanks Peter, that must be the chap. NZ1092 had a serious problem with its engine when Trevor and Stan Smith bought it, and it had to be overhauled at Air New Zealand's workshops in Christchurch which cost over $5000 so it evens out. All up with purchase price and to get it flying again Trev said it totalled about $10,000, which really wasn't bad at all because when they syndicated it they split it into ten shares at $5000 each. The profit went towards the Venom he said.
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Post by shamus on Jun 23, 2009 23:07:03 GMT 12
Hi bazzaboeing. NZ 1058 did have a wheels up landing on 11 January 1954 It is listed in the
Accident reports list as Wigram, but that could mean its base as was often the base that was
recorded and the exact location in the actual report. The report number is, 25/2/2681.
Also I note a report 25/2/2640 on 19 June 1953 , NZ 1058 U/carriage failed, Wigram.
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Post by NZ1009 on Jun 23, 2009 23:27:32 GMT 12
NZ1058 has been on its belly a few times then because the forced landing that grounded it happened in April 1975 as it was returning from the Lake Ellesmere training area after a Red Checkers training sortie (that is my recollection anyway).
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Post by bazzaboeing on Jun 24, 2009 9:50:22 GMT 12
I think the April 1975 fits the bill quite nicely, does anyone have photos of this forcedlanding about?  Cheers Bazza |
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 24, 2009 20:38:25 GMT 12
I am discovering a few interesting pics as I go through old newspaper clippings. These are from the 24th June 1977 when the Harvards were retired. Earlier in the thread are some beaut colour pics of the line up and flypast.  |
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jun 27, 2009 16:52:55 GMT 12
I'm on the last lap now: Harvard NZ1098 was another faithful servant of the RNZAF until the cessation of military service. Sold by tender to D G Reidpath, Auckland and became ZK-ENJ in September 1978. At Wigram, undergoing an engine check 24Aug1964:
then outside for a run-up: and she's all set to go: At a later date, Wigram 11Sep1978, the fernleaf roundel has been replaced by the kiwi: NZ1099 followed a similar path, serving until the end and then sold to D G Reidpath, Auckland and becoming ZK-ENK in September 1978. Sold again to d'E C Darby, Auckland in early 1983 and Westerfield Holdings Ltd., Auckland 1998. Advertised for sale and sold Australia becoming VH-NZX in November 2003. At Wigram 27Aug1964:  NZ1102 was much less active, with a flying life of less than six years being retired to the TTS at Hobsonville at the beginning of 1950 as INST138. It remained there until sold by tender from Hobsonville in August 1965 in unairworthy condition to R S Dwen. Stored at his premises at Riverhead 1966 marked as INSTNZ138 and then used in children's playground at Morrinsville. Purchased by R. Jowitt mid 1985 and stored at Ardmore. To Southair Aviation, Timaru. Sold by receivers of Southair to the Canterbury Flight of the Confederate Air Force. Swapped with RNZAF Museum in exchange for parts to return NZ1040 to airworthy condition. In storage at RNZAF Museum since early 1990s. At Hobsonville 8Jul1963: At Waimauku (Riverhead) 8Jan1966: And finally, a latecomer - Harvard NZ946 served at Wigram in the 1940s before becoming INST144 there in August 1950. Sold by tender to Horrell Company, Ashburton, to Jaycees for playground at Methven 1967, major components to J Walsh of Blenheim and Ed Billman of Auckland. At the Methven playground July 1976 - note the snow on the roofs! That, folks, is all I have. |
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Post by Damon on Jul 2, 2009 11:06:22 GMT 12
Thanks Peter for sharing with us your selection of Harvard pictures.Its nice to see them in their service uniform.Its a wonder that they have survived so long. I have enjoyed your thread very much.
Damon
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 2, 2009 11:44:44 GMT 12
Hear hear, a great thread indeed.
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