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Post by strikemaster on Jan 19, 2011 13:04:42 GMT 12
I read those, thanks. I'm pretty sure it was a hodge podge of different parts and also some parts Colin (Sutherland) fabricated in his garage. It was finished before 1993, at least the early 80's. IIRC it had a rough landing at one point and needed repairs, these may have not been completed till 1993 tho.
I remember seeing the wings being built and it was truly a sight to behold. It took quite a while to build and I also remember Colin's wife, she wasn't too pertubed about having aircraft parts all over the house and yard. :-) I think Dad is still in contact with him too. Dad did aerial photography for FRI in the 1970's out of Rotorua and I think that's how they met.
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Post by The Red Baron on Jan 19, 2011 15:35:53 GMT 12
The AVJ replica is hanging in the roof at Classic Flyers still isn't it?.
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Post by strikemaster on Jan 19, 2011 15:56:46 GMT 12
Aha, found a pic by flyernzl, thanks to google images; Bloody shame its not flying after what it went thru, but them's the breaks. I wonder if this is the same aircraft as Colins was original a yellow (RNZAF?) scheme.
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Post by Damon on Jan 19, 2011 17:43:20 GMT 12
Thank you Peter for the picture of AJA. Formerly NZ-757 ,it was flown by many new trainees at Harewood under the instruction of Jack Edwards ( a relation of mine) during the period of 10.40 to 3.42.Although Jack instructed on many Tigers during this time -757 was the most common Tiger Moth he instructed in. Its nice to see other photos of Tigers that he instructed on surviving the war, going on to be used in the aero clubs and topdressing industry. Hence my enthusiasm for this thread. Jack Edwards continued instructing at Woodbourne on Harvards and was eventually posted onto SBD's on 25 Squadron in the pacific.Jack was Killed in action on 10.5.44 on operations during a strike on Rabaul.
Its interesting to see the anti spin strakes on the rear of the fuselage.Being a Rongotai made Tiger I dont think they were fitted here,so its perhaps a post war addition
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Post by hairy on Jan 19, 2011 19:10:59 GMT 12
And another 10, this post gets a bit exciting at the end ..................... ZK-AKE (ex. NZ818) at Mangere, 5th November 1947. Crashed at Buckland September 1961, the remains were scrapped. ZK-AKI (ex. NZ759) of the Marlborough Aero Club. Crashed near Greenvale, November 1955. ZK-AKN (ex. NZ859) Damaged by a gale Hastings May 1957 and scrapped. ZK-AKO (ex. NZ1419) of the Waikato Aero Club. After serving time with James Aviation it was exported to Australia in April 1957 and became VH-BPY. ZK-ALJ (ex. NZ676) at Wanaka 4th April 2006 (ooh, colour. ;D) Current. Marcus Bridle photo.ZK-ALK (ex. NZ704 & ZK-AGZ) of the Wellington Aero Club at Rongotai. Current. ZK-ALL (ex. NZ734 & G-AFJF) of the Waikato Aero Club. See the end of this post in regards to its fate. ZK-ALM (ex. NZ841) at Mangere. Current. ZK-ALT (ex. NZ730 & G-AFJL) of the Waikato Aero Club See the end of this post in regards to its fate. ZK-ALU (ex. NZ743) Crashed at Rukuhia October 1957, parts used to rebuild ZK-AQA. On the 4th of March 1950, ZK-ALL piloted by R.Lovell and ZK-ALT piloted by D.Osborne collided over Rukuhia. As far as I can tell both pilots survived. ZK-ALL in the hangar 12th March 1950. ZK-ALT in the hangar 12th March 1950. More to come.................
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Post by hairy on Jan 19, 2011 19:51:17 GMT 12
I have updated all my posts extra info, in regards to what happened to each Tiger. The number of Tigers with canopies is quite surprising considering there are none around now.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 19, 2011 21:41:09 GMT 12
Hairy wrote: ZK-AKE (ex. NZ818) at Mangere, 5th November 1947. Crashed at Buckland September 1961, the remains were scrapped
Is that Buckland at/near Bucklands Beach? Or is that the Buckland that is near Cambridge (near to Whitehall and Karapiro)?
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Post by hairy on Jan 19, 2011 22:38:37 GMT 12
Hairy wrote: ZK-AKE (ex. NZ818) at Mangere, 5th November 1947. Crashed at Buckland September 1961, the remains were scrapped Is that Buckland at/near Bucklands Beach? Or is that the Buckland that is near Cambridge (near to Whitehall and Karapiro)? I was thinking the Buckland between Pukekohe and Tuakau, 'cause that is the first one that came up on Google maps. Ed Coates suggests that it crashed near Fielding. www.edcoatescollection.com/ac2/NZAM/ZK-AKE.htmlI have been using this site www.dave.wise.btinternet.co.uk/DWNZindex.htm#index for most of my registration info. Looking at the archives site ( archway.archives.govt.nz/ ) the accident report says Buckland s. The problem with Bucklands is I can't find anywhere with that name. I honestly don't know which Buckland(s).
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jan 20, 2011 11:34:08 GMT 12
After Tiger ZK-AKE's sojourn with the New Plymouth AC it went to Aerodress in December 1951 and was converted for agricultural work. They passed it on to J H Richardson, Feilding in mid-1957, presumably when they were upgrading their fleet. I have always assumed that the Richardsons were a farming family and used the Tiger in its agricultural configuration on their own property rather than converting it back to a two-holer. I have it logged as Cr near Feilding 13Sep61, which would make sense if it was usually being operated in that area.
Just a thought, perhaps 'Buckland' was the name of the Richardson farm at Feilding?
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Post by hairy on Jan 20, 2011 13:00:36 GMT 12
Okay, as I'm still on holiday I have done a little digging. There was (is) a farm called 'Buckland" at Awahuri, which is 7km south-west of Feilding. The Feilding Star, 10 March 1892 The Feilding Star, 28 Feb 1908 That's enough of that, more Tigers to post.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 20, 2011 13:33:42 GMT 12
That settles that. Cheers guys.
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Post by thomarse on Jan 20, 2011 14:58:42 GMT 12
My 1961 Register show AKE registered to J H Richardson "Buckland" RD4 Feilding.
I can't seem to access that ASN site to look for the 1961 accident.
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Post by thomarse on Jan 20, 2011 15:05:18 GMT 12
Yes I can, but it simply tells us that the accident occurred at Bucklands (sic) and the pilot was J Richardson.
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Post by The Red Baron on Jan 20, 2011 16:01:52 GMT 12
AKE was replaced by BAT,then they bought a Piper Cub to topdress the farm.
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Post by thomarse on Jan 20, 2011 18:15:49 GMT 12
Had forgotten about BAT, but the Cub was BVJ
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Post by hairy on Jan 20, 2011 18:55:09 GMT 12
Here's some more. ZK-ALX (ex. NZ820) of the Wellington Aero Club. Stored/under restoration ZK-ALY (ex. NZ851) Crashed Napier, 28/11/54 ZK-AND (ex. NZ675) at Rukuhia. Crashed Franz Joseph Glacier, 23/4/50 This is one racy looking Tiger. ZK-ANE (ex. NZ716 & ZK-AHO) of Auckland Aero Club at Mangere May 1947. Crashed Owaka, 9/4/52 ZK-ANH (ex. NZ710 & ZK-AGF) at Paraparaumu in 1947. Withdrawn from use and scrapped 1959. ZK-ANL (ex. NZ861) The Worlds Last Operational Ag-Tiger, the colours here are cream and light green. Current. Seen here in action at Wings Over Wairarapa 2009. ( Marcus Bridle Photo) ZK-ANN (ex. NZ677) of Auckland Aviation Services at Mangere, 1949. Under restoration, Ardmore. Doing the business. ZK-ANQ (ex. NZ892) of the Kaitia Aero Club. Current. ZK-ANS (ex. NZ1495). Withdrawn from use Hamilton 1958 and used to rebuild ZK-AUT. ZK-ANV (ex. NZ783). Crashed Hastings, 23/10/47 Another 10 tomorrow. (when I get back from Masterton )
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jan 20, 2011 21:18:31 GMT 12
A couple of comments on the above.
Tiger Moth ZK-AHO for the Auckland AC was an allocation only, the aircraft never operated as such but went directly to military service. NZ716 went from the RNZAF to John Digby Neave, Christchurch in December 1946 who set up to freight whitebait and such from the West Coast operating as Aerial Transport (NZ) Ltd). He had it converted to a single seater as ZK-ANE with a freight hopper for this purpose. This is the configuration shown here, which is why it looks odd.
Neave was later CFI at Canterbury Aero Club, and sold the Tiger to Des J Nolan of Haast, one of the famous West Coast Nolan family, who used it for a similar purpose. They also owned, at various times, Messenger ZK-AUM and Auster J-5 ZK-BGT.
In 1951 ZK-ANE went to Farmers ATD Co.Ltd. of Invercargill and was used on topdressing work from 14th August 1951 until it crashed into lake Owaka 29Jan53.
The ZK-ANN at MoTAT is actually ZK-AIN (ex-Barr Bros) with parts of ZK-BJH. The real ZK-ANN was the pioneer topdressing aircraft in the North Island when operated by Aircraft Service/Auckland Aviation Services. Its first flight as a topdresser by D Greig at Mangere 27Jul49, 1st trial t/d flight Ihumato 4Sep49. 1st commercial t/d flight Clevedon 7Sep49. It was sold to Thames ATD Co.Ltd. in 1955, WFU Thames 1959. Passed on to Charles Henty Rupert Liddell, Te Awamutu in 1963 not used, stored at Hastings. Ownership changed to J R Crosbie, Pukekohe 23Aug1982, not restored, cancelled 27Mar1991. Passed through J Pheasant, Papakura to W Edwards Ardmore who is said to be restoring it to airworthy. Hopefully it will reappear in aerial work configuration as it would be the oldest NZ topdressing aircraft still extant, ZK-ASO having been destroyed many years ago.
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Post by hairy on Jan 20, 2011 22:44:23 GMT 12
............ set up to freight whitebait and such from the West Coast operating as Aerial Transport (NZ) Ltd). He had it converted to a single seater as ZK-ANE with a freight hopper for this purpose. This is the configuration shown here, which is why it looks odd. In some of the photos I have (below) of ZK-ANE taken in 1947 it is clearly a two seater with a streamlined windshield for the front seat and the streamlined canopy for the rear seat. The front windshield must be removable with a cover for when the front seat is not being used (as in the original photo posted). It seems to be a bit of an extreme modification for a freighter. This photo was taken on the same day and in the same position as the previously posted picture. This photo could be at Harewood. Here it is at Mangere again, but this time it has the titles on the cowling.
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Post by hairy on Jan 20, 2011 22:54:06 GMT 12
The ZK-ANN at MoTAT is actually ZK-AIN (ex-Barr Bros) with parts of ZK-BJH. My stuff up, I wasn't thinking. My mother's partner's father spent alot of time in ZK-AIN and considered it "his" aircraft. MOTAT has ZK-AIN painted as ZK-ANN and ZK-BAD painted as ZK-AIN (NZ775). My post is now corrected.
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Post by hairy on Jan 24, 2011 22:01:54 GMT 12
Here's the next 10.......... ZK-ANX (ex. NZ1464) became an ag-Tiger with James Aviation. Crashed at Te Akau 7 May 1957. Here she is just after being demobbed and waiting for a buyer in 1947. ZK-ANY (ex. NZ1497). Scrapped at Rongotai 1960. ZK-AOC (ex. NZ679) Crashed Whakamaru 6 August 1955 whilst working as an ag-Tiger with James Aviation. ZK-AOL (ex. NZ719, ZK-AFN) As ZK-AFN in 1937 this was the first Tiger in New Zealand. Crashed at Mangere 10 January 1959. ZK-AOM (ex. NZ862) Crashed Mangahoe (near Hunterville?) 3 October 1950. Seen here freshly demobbed, note the crude registration and the light patches where the RNZAF markings have been painted out. ZK-AON (ex. NZ830) seen here in Marlborough Aero Club markings. Current. ZK-AOO (ex. NZ1478) Crashed near Kelso in Otago 19 August 1956. ZK-AOQ (ex. NZ837) Crashed near Oamaru 21 September 1955. ZK-AOU (ex. NZ815) ag-Tiger of Auckland Aviation Services, Mangere. Crashed Pouto 2 May 1952. Seen here at Mangere after one of her many mishaps (5 on record). ZK-AOV (ex. NZ857) at Mangere. Ditched near Waihi 27 November 1948. To be continued......................
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