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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2008 13:54:40 GMT 12
The Japanese submarine I-1 was sunk by ramming from HMNZS Kiwi and HMNZS Moa. What a shame this historic vessel was broken up. When was that? Sometime in the 1960's?
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Post by shorty on Aug 11, 2008 19:02:13 GMT 12
Photo was taken February 1965.
Want some more aeroplane photos?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2008 19:39:17 GMT 12
Yes please. Your stash is a fantastic source of history, references and interesting stories. We very much appreciate these photos mate.
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Post by fletcherfu24 on Aug 11, 2008 22:34:13 GMT 12
Pssssssst.....Got anything agricultural...if ya know what I mean ;D
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Post by John L on Aug 12, 2008 17:16:02 GMT 12
Here's it's sister from Perth...from the radio ops, possie..  |
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Post by shorty on Aug 13, 2008 10:11:48 GMT 12
These next three photos may interest those who have been to the RNZAF Museum. This is their Anson NZ415 as it was in April 1967 when I was on my recruit course at Wigram. At this stage it was owned by Walter Dodge of Clarkeville. He and his brother Charlie, who farmed close by,bought two Ansons each when they were sold off from Wigram  NZ 415 by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 415 front by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 415 1967 by Neville Mines, on Flickr Interested to see that the Perth Lancaster still has the 2nd pilot's wheel in place. |
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Post by stu on Aug 13, 2008 10:57:58 GMT 12
These next three photos may interest those who have been to the RNZAF Museum. This is their Anson NZ415 as it was in April 1967 when I was on my recruit course at Wigram. At this stage it was owned by Walter Dodge of Clarkeville. He and his brother Charlie, who farmed close by,bought two Ansons each when they were sold off from Wigram Just wishfully thinking out loud here .... Wouldn't it be great to find something like that, even in the same condition, nowdays. Really enjoying the photos Shorty, a great journey through New Zealand's aviation history. Thanks for posting them. Cheers, Stu  |
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Post by shorty on Aug 13, 2008 11:15:05 GMT 12
Just to tidy up the loose ends of the Oxford photos. The first are two that Dave asked about and you will have to forgive the quality of the photo as they are taken off a photo copy. When Jack Gould purchased the Oxfords from Woodbourne in 1948 he had to get them off the Airfield as part of the conditions. He came to an arrangement with the Walshes(?) who had the adjoining Fairhall farm whereby he would store them there and as payment he gave them two Oxfords. I met up with John (?) the farmers son about 4 years ago and we put these two photos together. The first one shows one of their Oxfords in 1948 shortly after got it.The 71 MAY mean that it is NZ1271 as that was one of the lot disposed of but code numbers and serial numbers don't always match up.  NZ 1271 1948 by Neville Mines, on Flickr The second shot comes from a colour slide I took of the same aircraft,from almost the same angle, 20 years later in 1968 when I was at Woodbourne on my Airframe Mechanics course. I guess the moral of the story is don't leave a plywood aeroplane in the open for 20 years without covering it! The second one they had was slightly worse than this .  NZ 1271 1968 by Neville Mines, on Flickr The next photo is fairly common RNZAF Museum photo of an Oxford line up. Of interest is the slightly unusual roundel proportions and the lack of fin flashes. The number 12 in front of the roundel is hard to see[  NZ 1209 by Neville Mines, on Flickr Finally we have a photo of the Oxford parts storage area at the Museum store at Weedons taken October 83  Weedons Oct 1983 by Neville Mines, on Flickr |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2008 14:15:27 GMT 12
What a shame that the Walsh's Oxfords were not kept in their hangar. Amazing photos!
Did the RNZAF Museum get both the Ansons from that farm?
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Post by shorty on Aug 13, 2008 19:48:16 GMT 12
I was raised just a couple of hundred yards from where MOTAT now is and as a result was involved in it since its conception and knew all it's founding crew. When they heard that I was joining the Air Force and going to Wigram I was given a heads up on what was around Canterbury. Working from the list I went out to Clarkeville to visit the Dodge brothers (not the car makers, dopey) and first met Charlie who had this in his front paddock.  NZ 412 1967 by Neville Mines, on Flickr They had to cut the wings off to shift them from Wigram and used the aircraft as a source of farm hardware. Naturally the wheels went on a farm trailer and the gear boxes for the manual landing gear retraction were used on a honey blender.  NZ 412c by Neville Mines, on Flickr Anyway we spent an afternoon poking around and by the time the day was out I had purchased it off him for 10 quid and have a receipt to prove it!  NZ 412b by Neville Mines, on Flickr This particular aircraft was NZ 412  NZ 412a by Neville Mines, on Flickr Things to note are that by the time were disposed off they had been fitted with Cheetah 10 engines and Oxford cowls. And that the tailplane had completely rotted away leaving just the metal framed elevators in place.  C Dodges place by Neville Mines, on Flickr His second aircraft wasn't in quite such good condition and I couldn't track down it's serial number. More to come shortly. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2008 20:10:20 GMT 12
Wonderful old shots!
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Post by shorty on Aug 13, 2008 21:31:33 GMT 12
On arrival at I TTS for my Basic Engineering Course in June 67 I wrote a letter, with the arrogance of youth, to ask the Air Force to assist with moving the Anson. I was absolutely gob smacked when they agreed and the Wigram MT section used it as an aircraft recovery exercise. They dismantled it and transported it from the farm to Wigram and from there a herc would take it to Auckland on a "space available" basis. Thus it was that on 18 july 1968 (by which time I was on 14 Sqn at Ohakea) A Herc arrived and the fuselage was loaded on intact, quite how and when the centre section was shifted I do not recall.  NZ 412 Shift by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 412 Shift a by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 412 Motor by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 412 Shift b by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 412 MOTAT by Neville Mines, on Flickr It got to sit around behind the restoration workshop at Western Springs for quite a while awaiting it's place in the queue and then MOTAT in it's wisdom(  )and Tom Crail in particular decided it would be moved into storage at Sylvia Park and so that he could get it on a truck he got a hacksaw AND CUT IT IN HALF! After all the trouble that was taken to get it to Auckland in one piece that would have to rank as one of the most stupid stunts that he pulled (and he pulled a few) when I found out about that I went ballistic at him and questioned his appointment as the Aviation Section chairman but by then the damage had been done. Following the Darby P-40 episode (and the Corsair) MOTAT sort to formalise who owned what in their collection, however no one ever approached me and I only heard of the project some years afterwards. By this stage the (my) Anson had been given to Don Subritzky, again without me knowing anything about it! So if people want to know why I am not impressed with MOTAT that is one of the reasons |
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Post by shorty on Aug 13, 2008 21:44:30 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2008 22:01:47 GMT 12
Unbelievable photos of the Anson's move to Auckland, and even more unbelieveable what Motat's 'caretaker' did to it and to you. Did you ever try to get it back? I assume Don was an innocent party in all this, unaware it was your's and not Motat's to give away?
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Post by shorty on Aug 13, 2008 22:13:25 GMT 12
No, Don knew it was mine as he was one of the MOTAT originals.(along with Bunny Darby, Ken Norton, Ken Jacobs, Pete Dingwall, Monty Armstrong etc)
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Post by sputnik767 on Aug 14, 2008 6:54:22 GMT 12
David and Shorty.
I have loved looking at the pictures you have posted, fantastic to see...
But you tread a thin and dangerous line with the personal comments about people..
Can we please move away from this and enjoy looking at more pics........It lowers the standard of the whole posting....
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Post by shorty on Aug 14, 2008 9:37:51 GMT 12
I hope all you enthusiasts learn from that cautionary tale and make sure all your "t"s are crossed and the "i"s dotted. All though having been burnt in the courts I think MOTAT will now take great care. Now for the ultimate box of Christmas goodies This is the first Blunty at Ohakea after the end of the crate had been opened. It was taken in the ASF hangar at Ohakea on 10-10 -72. I think the SNCO on peering duties is Ross Marfell.  NZ 6361 arrival by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 6361 unpack 2 by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 6361 unpack 4 by Neville Mines, on Flickr  NZ 6361 unpack 5  NZ 6361 unpack by Neville Mines, on Flickrby Neville Mines, on Flickr The second shot is one I took when I was riding in a four ship sortie from Hamilton  NZ 6361 arrival by Neville Mines, on Flickr when we went up to the end of Coromandel peninsula. One of the pilots wife was camping at Cape Colville and once he identified her tent the formation proceeded to work it over. Great fun but tough on the stomach!  Strikemaster sortie by Neville Mines, on Flickr More Blunties soon. |
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Post by phil82 on Aug 14, 2008 11:07:35 GMT 12
David and Shorty. I have loved looking at the pictures you have posted, fantastic to see... But you tread a thin and dangerous line with the personal comments about people.. Can we please move away from this and enjoy looking at more pics........It lowers the standard of the whole posting.... Sorry to disagree, but I do! The RNZAF is now, and always has been a 'family' where just about everyone knew everyone else. Should anyone ever find a photo of me and ask if anyone can identify me, I would pleased to think it mattered. But then, I'm as un-PC as it is possible to get. Identifying people has always been a good topic, and I doubt anyone would be bothered. |
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Post by shorty on Aug 14, 2008 12:56:43 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2008 14:48:16 GMT 12
Great Blunty Shots! It's very interesting to see one in its transit box, all secure and hidden from future Prime Ministers who throw stones at arriving jets.
The Egmont shot with the Mustang, Harvard and Blunties is superb!
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)and Tom Crail in particular decided it would be moved into storage at Sylvia Park and so that he could get it on a truck he got a hacksaw AND CUT IT IN HALF! After all the trouble that was taken to get it to Auckland in one piece that would have to rank as one of the most stupid stunts that he pulled (and he pulled a few) when I found out about that I went ballistic at him and questioned his appointment as the Aviation Section chairman but by then the damage had been done.
