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Post by shorty on Sept 19, 2008 19:49:02 GMT 12
Last (and fastest) of the visitors for a while The puddle under the BA one is fuel as a result of the nor wester blowing a servicing stand into the wing and puncturing a tank.  scan0100 by Neville Mines, on Flickr  scan0101 by Neville Mines, on Flickr |
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Post by shorty on Sept 19, 2008 21:07:52 GMT 12
Moving north we have the two Argosies sitting at Longbank following their removal fom service. First up ZK-SAF, when I was in the area a couple of years ago I noticed one of it's booms being used as sheep loading race.  scan0102 by Neville Mines, on Flickr Then it's sister ship ZK-SAE prior to it's restoration and move across beside the main road.  scan0103 by Neville Mines, on Flickr |
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Post by nzompilot on Sept 20, 2008 11:54:42 GMT 12
Thank you Shorty for the Argosy pics SAF is still on that same side of the airfield just on the next farm in a badly deteriorated condition being used as a storage shed/hen house. She's been stripped a bit more since these photos as well. Such a sad sight now  |
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Post by shorty on Sept 20, 2008 17:55:33 GMT 12
A couple of shots taken at a Wise Owl at Hastings in the early to mid 80's. Some years earlier, when I was i/c ASF at Woodbourne, the Monospar had been left at Woodbourne for a month between airshows at Blenheim and Wigram. I arranged to have it kept covered for it's stay and the day before Piet was to pick up I got the boys to push it out and wash and clean it. Piet was so ompressed when he arrived he told me to hop in ,up the front while he did a circuit to check it out. Half was round he pulled the pin from the control column and flipped the control wheel over to me to have a drive. . Pretty daunting as I'm not a Pilot and have no desire to become one, to suddenly have control of the worlds sole surving example of a type! Memorable to say the least  scan0104 by Neville Mines, on Flickr  scan0105 by Neville Mines, on Flickr |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 20, 2008 18:39:17 GMT 12
Nice photos and experience of the Monospar. Thankfully it wasn't the sole survivor though, there's another under restoration overseas in Europe.
When you say you could control it from the front, was that a bit like a bomb aimer took control of the bomber when lining up the target, in this case for photography? Or was there a coplete set of controls as such?
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Post by shorty on Sept 20, 2008 19:33:50 GMT 12
There was a complete set of controls and the control wheel came up from the centre and then on an arm that could be swung over from one side to the other.
Perhaps I should have said the sole flying survivor.
Is the European one the same model? I thought it was a different vesion.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 20, 2008 20:29:06 GMT 12
I'm not sure about the model, but at least one Monospar remains in the world, eh. It's such a shame this one was lost.
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Post by kiwibeavers on Sept 21, 2008 13:05:15 GMT 12
Where did the 2 colour shots of the Beaver 6001/6010 on the Tasman Glacier and at Wellington come from?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 21, 2008 15:08:29 GMT 12
From the "stash"  |
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Post by kiwibeavers on Sept 21, 2008 15:26:02 GMT 12
Whose stash?
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Post by shorty on Sept 21, 2008 16:32:37 GMT 12
Those were two that actually were not part of my stash but found to show the colours hence the comment about "I found these two". They came from www.kiwibeavers.com and I credited them to RNZAF Museum and Neville Worsley. Given your moniker is that your web site? If so I apologise for not crediting you as well, Cheers. |
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Post by kiwibeavers on Sept 21, 2008 17:25:28 GMT 12
I actually paid for the Museum photo and I would like to be asked if the photos were going to be used elsewhere. The disclaimer on my site does say to contact the author. I don't mind people using photos from my site as long as they let me know. I always ask first before using others work.Please remove the Museum photo from this site. Thankyou.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Sept 22, 2008 19:50:04 GMT 12
Fair comment Kiwibeaver - but does making Shorty remove the offending photo achieve anything? He has apologised and he didn't do it for any personal gain. The whole point of this forum is to share our combined wealth of knowledge and information, something we all do very well. By posting the photos from your site Shorty was just trying to clear up a question about the colour scheme and he DID credit the original copyright holders. As you acknowledge you only purchased a copy of the photo from the Air Force Museum, so your copy isn't likely to be the only one in existence. So how about letting Shorty put it back here with acknowledgment to you and a link to your excellent web site? And then we can get back to Shorty's most excellent stash!
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Post by kiwibeavers on Sept 22, 2008 20:00:02 GMT 12
Oh, .....alright then.....didn't mean to upset anyone, it's just common courtesy to be asked first. Please forgive?? ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 22, 2008 20:14:03 GMT 12
Of course you're forgiven kiwibeaver, you made a valid point, but Don's suggestion is great and I'm glad everything has worked out, thanks guys. I think everyone will learn fom this, which is good - both about crediting sources and about Beavers.
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Post by harvard1041 on Sept 23, 2008 7:07:02 GMT 12
Great photos there Shorty ... some neat neat stuff.
Do you perhaps have any of the wartime OTU (F) photos - No 2 & 4 ...kinda interested in 4 OTU aircraft . ( OD Codes).
Rgds
Hvd1041
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Post by kiwi on Sept 25, 2008 7:01:24 GMT 12
I believe there is a similar Monospar preserved in Denmark and another under restoration at Newark in the UK which is an inline engined variant , recovered from India years ago .
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Post by shorty on Sept 29, 2008 21:59:11 GMT 12
Right he we go again, I've been away for a week but now I'm back with some more. Starting with Fairey IIIF F 1134 at Hobsonville in 1939  F 1134 Hobsonville 1939 by Neville Mines, on Flickr Then moving down to Wigram with all four Tomtits ready to go.Please note that Dress caps will be worn!  Line up Wigram by Neville Mines, on Flickr Still at Wigram with the result of some "interesting" marshalling! The taxy out will be a challenge.  Wigram by Neville Mines, on Flickr And finally back to Rongotai with it's distinctive fence.  Rongotai by Neville Mines, on Flickr |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 29, 2008 22:19:51 GMT 12
Fantastic!
Not only a classic aircraft in that first shot (the Fairey IIIF) but note also the old style steam roller.
The four Tomtits ready to take off must have been during a Terrtorial camp as I cannot imagine there would have been enough pilots or need to take off four at once otherwise. The closest one seems to be running a bit rich.
The four seen facing each other were probably parked that way to refuel them, all parked round the drum. It'd be easier to push the aeroplanes to the drum than the full 44 gallon drum to the planes.
The last shot really interests me. There seems to be a marking on the side, looks like 11. Now in March 1938 a Tomtit was flown up and posted to Rongotai with the Wellington Territorial Squadron at the same time as the Baffins were arriving. I have been trying to establish which of the four it was. I can't find a reference to the serial number however. Even the RNZAF Musuem has been unable to find it, despite their excellent help in trying.
This could be it, this photo could be taken during that time when one was posted there. If we can find out what the number is from that 11 marking, I'd be interested to know.
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Post by shorty on Sept 30, 2008 8:12:54 GMT 12
Just before I move on from Tomtits this clipping may be of interest. Note the "13" painted on the side of NZ 53/INST 13 which is obviously it's INST number applied in a different style than that normally used. It is a possibility that "11" above maybe a similar case and therefore it may be NZ52/INST 11 at TTS Rongotai. The different style of number between the two aircraft could be someyhing as simple as the artistic ability of the airmen who applied them.  Document (5) by Neville Mines, on Flickr |
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