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Post by Peter Lewis on Dec 6, 2018 16:52:12 GMT 12
Or possibly reactivate ZK-AMO and NZ4115 ?
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Post by baronbeeza on Dec 6, 2018 17:04:37 GMT 12
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Post by exkiwiforces on Dec 6, 2018 17:11:25 GMT 12
The punters are probably waiting for the next big one to Wellington which will solve any issues with rising sea levels, according to one of my NZ Geo books on NZ Earthquakes that Miramar Peninsula was once an island until the early 1700’s from memory and the Geo boffins say the average uplift for the Wellington area is about 2.5 to 3m from past earthquakes in the Wellington region. Lambton Quay used to be the actual waterfront, hence the name. If you know The Thistle Inn, which is NZ's oldest pub, that was right near the waterfront till 1855 when the 8.2 magnitude quake raised the seabed and created the land where the railway station now stands. Here'sa photo from their website showing it before:  www.thistleinn.co.nz/thistle-innHave a look at Google Maps to see how far back it is now. Some of it is reclamation but most if it was the quake. That photographer would have been standing on dry land now. www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Mulgrave+St,+Wellington+6011/@-41.2773478,174.7824959,1180m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6d38ae2e952c53c3:0x7f839091f653888c!8m2!3d-41.2768872!4d174.7798572?hl=en I have fond memories of the Thistle Inn and is it still a going concern in this day in age? There is a really story good about the name behind the Basin Reserve, Before the Wellington Earthquake in the mid 1800’s there was a plan to turn the low tidal swamp into a basin for small to medium ships with a canal of some size linking the Basin to Wellington Harbour or whatever it was called back then. Anyway the plan got dumped after the earthquake as the land rose some 1-2metres above the sea at the time. Which makes you wonder how much land will rise again out of the sea in and around the Wellington region. If the current owners of Wellington Airport are prepared to wait for the next big one, then they won’t have to worry about reclaiming land for the runway extension as mother nature’s will do it for them and it would be less cost to the ratepayers when they have rebuild the airport after the big one. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 6, 2018 17:46:44 GMT 12
Yes, I had a drink in there in April. Very busy it was too.
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Post by exkiwiforces on Dec 6, 2018 17:58:45 GMT 12
Yes, I had a drink in there in April. Very busy it was too. Yes, it was like my last visit there and you were luck to able swing cat without hitting someone at the time. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 6, 2018 18:01:47 GMT 12
Why do you assume the next quake will bring more land up? It could just as easily take the land back down under the sea, and take our national archives, national library, national museum, the stock exchange, the financial district, defence headquarters and Parliament with it in the blink of an eye as they are all for some reason built right on the edge of the harbour and sitting smack on top of the fault line. The sooner it's all moved away from Wellington the better.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 6, 2018 18:49:20 GMT 12
Final comment: Mother nature doesn't care if you believe it or not........ Whether you believe it or not, insurance companies believe it and within a few years time, insurance will become increasingly more difficult to obtain for low-lying properties and eventually it will become impossible. Then, your coastal properties will become worthless because nobody will be able to borrow money from a bank to purchase your property. when the sea level rises, how will that effect Wellington and Auckland airports? That's an easy one in the case of Wellington: shift the airport to Masterton (Hood Aerodrome is 111 metres/364 feet above sea level), then upgrade the Wairarapa railway line to run 160km/h trains. Easy. BTW ... regarding that pub which used to be on the foreshore in Wellington. One of my late Dad's ancestors used to occasionally pull a canoe up on the beach and head into there for a whisky. Legend has it they were too scared to ask him for any money in case he got offended. He composed a very famous haka you are all familiar with. |
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Post by oj on Dec 6, 2018 20:49:53 GMT 12
The sooner the latte sipping set of bureaucrats are inundated the better!
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Post by saratoga on Dec 6, 2018 21:40:06 GMT 12
Why do you assume the next quake will bring more land up? It could just as easily take the land back down under the sea, and take our national archives, national library, national museum, the stock exchange, the financial district, defence headquarters and Parliament with it in the blink of an eye as they are all for some reason built right on the edge of the harbour and sitting smack on top of the fault line. The sooner it's all moved away from Wellington the better. Geology and Tectonics. The Wellington faults have a raising tilt, as evidenced by the likes of Turakirae head, with multiple earthquake raised shorelines. Any negligible sea level rises have been more than offset by these events.A lot of the exposed rocky seashore terraces in the Wellington region is the result of raising, similar to the recent Kaikoura event. The Eastern Hutt valley and some of the Wairarapa faults have a falling tilt. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 6, 2018 23:24:45 GMT 12
I still think the National Archives and National Library should be moved away from the seafront.
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Post by flyinkiwi on Dec 7, 2018 9:56:22 GMT 12
I still think the National Archives and National Library should be moved away from the seafront. I think Cambridge sounds like as safe a spot as any for it.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 7, 2018 13:38:20 GMT 12
Sounds perfect to me, no major fault lines, all our volcanoes are dead, no tides.... plus it would be very handy too.
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Post by saratoga on Dec 7, 2018 14:13:55 GMT 12
Sounds perfect to me, no major fault lines, all our volcanoes are dead, no tides.... plus it would be very handy too. Yeah, but its still Cambridge.... |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 7, 2018 14:20:17 GMT 12
Centre of the universe!
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 8, 2018 12:16:28 GMT 12
If everything moved to Cambridge, it wouldn't be too long before the locals would be whinging about traffic gridlock and polluted air from too many motor vehicles.
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Post by saratoga on Dec 8, 2018 12:55:04 GMT 12
If everything moved to Cambridge, it wouldn't be too long before the locals would be whinging about traffic gridlock and polluted air from too many motor vehicles. Most likely be too gobsmacked at those new fangled horseless carriages... |
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 8, 2018 13:14:54 GMT 12
...and naturally, Cambridge doesn't have Wellington's fierce winds to blow away the toxic motor vehicle exhaust fumes.
So that would be something else for the locals to whinge about.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Dec 8, 2018 15:24:31 GMT 12
With the opening of the southern branch of National Archives at Wigram, I believe that all of the air force files currently held at Wellington will be
transferred to that site. Will certainly benefit researchers visiting the museum, but will be a long train ride for me!
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Post by mumbles on Dec 10, 2018 9:56:48 GMT 12
Why do you assume the next quake will bring more land up? It could just as easily take the land back down under the sea, and take our national archives, national library, national museum, the stock exchange, the financial district, defence headquarters and Parliament with it in the blink of an eye as they are all for some reason built right on the edge of the harbour and sitting smack on top of the fault line. The sooner it's all moved away from Wellington the better. Yes, I'm sure the fault line in Wellington has completely escaped the notice of those responsible for the design, strengthening and resilience of those buildings. . . not to mention that all but two of those buildings listed are many metres above sea level. Moving it all away is never going to happen - nowhere in NZ is free from natural hazard. Whether uplift or downlift occurs depends on which fault is in play, and which part of the local region you are looking at. Where the Wellington fault is concerned the trend is for lateral displacement, with uplift occurring around the city, and subsidence occurring in areas like the Hutt Valley. The 1855 earthquake involved the Wairarapa fault and generated uplift all around the Wellington region. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2018 11:13:48 GMT 12
it is blindingly obvious that the fault lines did not escape their notice Sam. However that very thing will have been taken into account when designing and building the 'new' NZDF Headquarters building right across the road from the archives, which was destroyed by the Kaikoura quake that was centred over 200km away! That was virtually a brand new building designed to all the most modern standards and it's now gone because of a quake down country. So what if that quake had been centred in Wellington? It and most of the other buildings you think are safe would likely be pancaked to dust. NOT GOOD PLANNING to house all the nation's treasures there. In fact f'ing stupid. Just because you live there and enjoy a complacency that you're safe through regulations does not mean you are.
If and when a big quake in the region of 7 magnitude strikes Wellington, you and nobody else can guarantee the safety of those archives and libraries and museums. It won't necessarily drop into the sea but the sea can still wipe out the buildings through a tsunami, or as I said in a big shake they can simply pancake like several buildings in Christchurch (which were also considered to be up to code, by the way).
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