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Post by The Red Baron on Jan 15, 2015 12:15:45 GMT 12
Ah,there are 2 roads,the Transport Act is the any place one,The Traffic Regulations a road is basically the road margins footpath to footpath.So riding a bike on a footpath is a offence under the traffic regs.Bicycles are also only 'vehicles' not 'motor vehicles'.Also the local council can have its own city bylaws just to muddy the waters.
Also interesting with the "Zero Tolerance" thing they only issued about 13 tickets nationwide for exceeding 1kph over the limit.In my day you could knock out a book of 25 tickets in a couple of hours by yourself for 20+ kph over the limit with a radar unit sitting in streets around the town.Ticketing everything for 1kph over should have produced 1000's of tickets per hour nationwide.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jan 15, 2015 12:40:58 GMT 12
The law specifically bans bicycles from footpaths, with a few exceptions (such as postal delivery persons).
An amendment to the same law also bans skateboards from footpaths by classing them as vehicles (note that there is a legal difference between MOTORISED VEHICLES and VEHICLES), which is why skateboards can legally be ridden on a road.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 15, 2015 16:20:44 GMT 12
Except now a lot of places are encouraging bikes to be on the footpath, such as here in Cambridge where the cycle lanes on the roads go up onto the footpaths in some places.
So if someone falls off their push-bike on the footpath and dies, or they hit a pedestrian and kill them on the footpath, is that added to the road toll? Or is the road toll only motor vehicles? I assume the latter otherwise they'd have to include cycle deaths on mountain bike tracks, BMX tracks, etc....
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Post by Darren Masters on Jan 15, 2015 17:10:30 GMT 12
The law specifically bans bicycles from footpaths, with a few exceptions (such as postal delivery persons). An amendment to the same law also bans skateboards from footpaths by classing them as vehicles (note that there is a legal difference between MOTORISED VEHICLES and VEHICLES), which is why skateboards can legally be ridden on a road. Wish they'd bloody well ban them from the road! They DON'T pay rego. They should...
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jan 15, 2015 17:17:26 GMT 12
Well, actually....most adult cyclists DO pay rego because they also own cars.
And when they are riding their bicycles instead of driving in their cars, that means more space in each road lane for the likes of YOU to drive your car.
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Post by baronbeeza on Jan 15, 2015 17:32:56 GMT 12
Except now a lot of places are encouraging bikes to be on the footpath, such as here in Cambridge where the cycle lanes on the roads go up onto the footpaths in some places. Darwin is a great place for cyclists because using the footpath is the norm. I never saw any problems as common sense and courtesy rules apply and the riders just cruise along anyway. My flatmates were generally Asian girls and the bicycle was their only form of transport, it was all they seemed to need. I thought it seemed so much safer having the cyclists off the road, the traffic generally traveled faster than NZ speeds as well. The limit around down was often 70 KpH. The cyclists just 'idled' along on the footpath.
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Post by figs on Jan 16, 2015 4:38:05 GMT 12
road tolls seem random each year to me. Police got extremely unlucky with the high toll, and won't be able to use this policy to make easy ticket cash in future.
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Post by Darren Masters on Jan 16, 2015 18:23:55 GMT 12
Yeah the age old argument. Yeah, they do pay rego...for their CARS. If you want to use/share the road, you should pay for it. Quite simple really.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jan 18, 2015 9:56:16 GMT 12
Yeah the age old argument. Yeah, they do pay rego...for their CARS. If you want to use/share the road, you should pay for it. Quite simple really. Well fine, perhaps every cycle owner should drive their cars on the road at the same time YOU are driving, instead of riding their bicycles. After all, they have paid rego for their cars. No doubt you'd then whinge because of all those additional cars on the road causing a log-jam and slowing your progress. Or perhaps they could ride their bicycles on the roads they have paid for through their car regos and leave more space in the motor vehicle lanes for you.
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Post by Darren Masters on Jan 18, 2015 21:53:34 GMT 12
Yeah the age old argument. Yeah, they do pay rego...for their CARS. If you want to use/share the road, you should pay for it. Quite simple really. Well fine, perhaps every cycle owner should drive their cars on the road at the same time YOU are driving, instead of riding their bicycles. After all, they have paid rego for their cars. No doubt you'd then whinge because of all those additional cars on the road causing a log-jam and slowing your progress. Or perhaps they could ride their bicycles on the roads they have paid for through their car regos and leave more space in the motor vehicle lanes for you. Meh, you will probably beat me in Auckland anyway with your push bike. Well, you would in South Auckland
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 20, 2015 8:32:22 GMT 12
Darren, the roads and bicycles were both around long before cars were brought to NZ, you should feel lucky the cyclists are allowing cars to share their roads. Car drivers have already forced out the original road users, horses.
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Post by mumbles on Jan 20, 2015 8:46:31 GMT 12
If you want to use/share the road, you should pay for it. I already do, via rego on two cars and council rates, amongst other levies and taxes. When I'm on my bike I'm giving back to "roads are for cars only" users, as well as causing only a tiny fraction of the wear and tear on the road that a car does. You should be grateful Also given the behaviour and attitude of some car drivers towards cyclists (ranging from simple obliviousness to outright aggression), I'd happily not share the road and exclusively use designated cycle lanes and cycleways if they were available.
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 20, 2015 8:53:39 GMT 12
Remember that non-State Highways are approximately 50% funded by Local Authority rates i.e. not directly by motorists.
Sent from my D5503 using proboards
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Post by suthg on Jan 20, 2015 9:25:29 GMT 12
Police chase turns into hospital escort for Far North mum in labourSide streets closed off to help speeding midwife get mother to hospital in nick of time. NZ Herald By Kristin Edge, Peter Jackson 10:00 AM Tuesday Jan 20, 2015 A high-speed police pursuit in the Far North rapidly became a police escort to hospital for the speedy delivery of a healthy baby boy. And Mangonui couple Rachael Tau and Paul Marsh saw a very different side to their midwife, Naomi Waldron, yesterday. It was her job to get Rachael from Mangonui to Kaitaia Hospital before baby William arrived, and she made it, thanks to a police escort for the last few kilometres and some very impressive road skills. "I didn't think she'd drive like Michael Schumacher," an admiring Paul Marsh said after William had arrived safe and sound. It all began about 5am, when Rachael's waters broke. Paul said by 7am it was all on, with plenty of sweating, yelling and a little swearing. The midwife was called from Kaitaia, but the 30 minutes it took her to get to Mangonui was more than enough for the couple's neighbours to offer their assistance. "They were all keen to help, grabbing sheets and towels," Paul said, but Rachael was adamant that she would deliver the baby in hospital. Midwife Ms Waldron said she noticed police lights behind her at Awanui but there was no way she could stop - not even for the police. "Rachael was telling me to go faster or else she was going to have [the baby] in the car," said Ms Waldron, who has worked in the Far North for three years since graduating. "I was getting up to 130km/h on the straights but I was quite sure we were going to have a baby on the way. I was prepared to pull over and I had an emergency birthing kit I carry all the time." Police managed to stop the speeding driver near Pak'n Save. Senior Sergeant Chris McLellan said he was on his way to work at Kaitaia Police Station in an unmarked car when he saw the speeding 4x4 vehicle at Awanui. He signalled for the vehicle to stop but she ignored the flashing blue and red lights. "I engaged in a pursuit. The speeds were getting up there but the vehicle was staying in the lane and the driver was indicating when they passed other traffic. It didn't feel like your normal pursuit that usually involves some erratic driving." When the driver stopped and explained she had a woman in labour who needed to get to hospital the pursuit became a police escort. "I took a look at the pregnant woman's face and I knew she wasn't ready to negotiate anything," Mr McLellan, a father of three, said. "We blocked off the side roads and escorted her like a presidential visit to Kaitaia Hospital." William was crowning before the car screeched to a halt outside the maternity ward and he arrived about 10 or 15 minutes later, weighing in at seven pounds 15 ounces (3.6kg). No tickets were issued. Mr McLellan said it was not uncommon for babies to be rushed to hospital but had words of warning: "If you are using this excuse for speeding you better be pregnant." www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11388734
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Post by Darren Masters on Jan 21, 2015 9:45:09 GMT 12
Darren, the roads and bicycles were both around long before cars were brought to NZ, you should feel lucky the cyclists are allowing cars to share their roads. Car drivers have already forced out the original road users, horses. Geez Dave I really do hope that was a tongue in cheek comment
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