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Post by saratoga on Aug 29, 2015 16:50:47 GMT 12
Don't be too hard on him. With the reputation NZers have for uplifting anything not bolted down(and even if it is bolted down...) we could bring some 'found' Abrams to NZ. Off course we'd only be able afford to run them on fish and chip oil.
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Post by Bruce on Aug 29, 2015 16:58:08 GMT 12
I heard we were getting Handley Page Hastings....
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Post by gungadin on Aug 29, 2015 18:22:08 GMT 12
I agree we are only going around in ever decreasing circles so with I'll call it quits O & O Gungadin
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Post by beagle on Aug 29, 2015 19:30:39 GMT 12
well sorry but I agree and disagree I know the story regards the RAAF getting extra due to when their originals would be coming up for deeper maintenance so they got an extra 2 then with the things they have seen these wonderful machines can do decided to get another 2, but their size which being bigger than an A400, both are far bigger than what we have now. They both would make a suitable strategic airlifter and could do tactical to limited airfields around NZ and the pacific. Am I right in saying that the European countries have actually delayed deliveries rather than cancelled them.
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Post by ErrolC on Aug 29, 2015 20:40:55 GMT 12
... Am I right in saying that the European countries have actually delayed deliveries rather than cancelled them. My understanding is that the building countries' reductions are driven by budget issues, rather than performance issues. Since that RAF reduction announcement, haven't their Hercs been flogged to death supporting Afghanistan, so there isn't much scope for keeping the Hercs on longer?
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Post by bodkin on Sept 2, 2015 5:22:33 GMT 12
... Am I right in saying that the European countries have actually delayed deliveries rather than cancelled them. My understanding is that the building countries' reductions are driven by budget issues, rather than performance issues. Since that RAF reduction announcement, haven't their Hercs been flogged to death supporting Afghanistan, so there isn't much scope for keeping the Hercs on longer? Correct on both counts. The A400M reductions were due to the development costs going up and European govts having the choice to stump up more cash or reduce their order. The UK govt chose to lose 3 a/c rather than look for change behind the sofa. Early reports from Brize are that the Atlas C1 is superb but there is still a lot of operational development to do. The Hercs are pretty care worn. Not knackered but they don't have a long life ahead of them in current role and at current usage rates. The rumour (and out right request) is that a sqn of hercs will stay on to support SF ops as many in UKSF think the Atlas might be a) a bit big and b) years from being SF ready.
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Post by skyhawkfan1 on Nov 15, 2015 12:03:19 GMT 12
This has been very quiet, does anyone know of any progress...i.e. do we think we are getting C-17's or A400M's? Given all the hoopla a few months ago surely a decision has been made by now?
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Post by saratoga on Nov 15, 2015 12:22:13 GMT 12
We haven't got that sort of money available and don't really have a use for them.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 15, 2015 13:38:37 GMT 12
This has been very quiet, does anyone know of any progress...i.e. do we think we are getting C-17's or A400M's? Given all the hoopla a few months ago surely a decision has been made by now? If we were going to get C-17s, it would have been a lot easier a few months ago. Now that opportunity has gone, there is no particular rush. Airbus is currently struggling to deliver them on time - Germany has just fined them (enforced the contract, I assume) for being late with two.
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Post by xbaggy on Nov 15, 2015 15:30:05 GMT 12
I did see a post on the ex RNZAF Facebook page last week. It said that there is a rumour circulating the RAF, that as a part of their Strategic Defence Review, they are looking at selling 2 x C17s to the RNZAF
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Post by skyhawkfan1 on Nov 16, 2015 15:58:14 GMT 12
thanks for the updates, funny post about not needing them (whatever the replacement is) lol really?
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Post by xbaggy on Nov 16, 2015 16:42:33 GMT 12
As was stated read the word "rumour'. If you read back this is what this whole thread has been based on.
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Post by No longer identifiable on Nov 16, 2015 16:45:41 GMT 12
So good to see this thread brought back to life!
With time it may even rival the size of the Mosquito thread, the only difference being that the Mosquito thread resulted in an aircraft we could actually see and touch.
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Post by beagle on Nov 16, 2015 20:36:00 GMT 12
The RAF are never going to sell any of theirs.
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Post by TS on Nov 16, 2015 21:48:13 GMT 12
Exactly. So how about shutting up and waiting to see a C17 with a KIWI on it before we waste more time......
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Nov 16, 2015 23:57:11 GMT 12
Exactly. So how about shutting up and waiting to see a C17 with a KIWI on it before we waste more time...... Ooh, the forum Grinch has spoken A forum is a place for like minded individuals to chat about things of interest. If you find banter and discussion about the matter upsetting you should avert your gaze, I suggest the only person who's time has been wasted has been yours
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Post by pjw4118 on Nov 17, 2015 12:36:34 GMT 12
NZ5218 , sit back and relax , its like talking about the next world cup , only speculation but still valid.
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Post by Calum on Nov 17, 2015 14:29:33 GMT 12
The RAF are never going to sell any of theirs. I do agree it's unlikely, but they are getting heap of A400's so perhaps the Government cuts may make them. After all they've lost a lot of capability in the past 10 years, MPA, Jaguars, Harriers, Tornados going soon etc Are there any other aiforces with a A400 /C -17 mix?
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Post by trimotor on Nov 17, 2015 16:32:37 GMT 12
The C17 would be a great machine for NZ's needs, but the cost is surely just too much, however capable they are. The joinery exercise with the ADF will never happen either - they don't trust NZ's stickability after the loss of the strike force and the ANZAC frigate fiasco.
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Post by atgv on Nov 19, 2015 17:24:30 GMT 12
If we were to get C-17s (qty 2) it is most likely one would be the last white tail and the other a second hand USAF one. They are deactivating two squadrons due to budget cuts.
Potentially based in Amberley due to existing C17 infrastructure and expertise and could be pooled with RAAF C17s to a degree.
4 month old news though..
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