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Post by beagle on Mar 9, 2018 11:52:53 GMT 12
The original time period for replacement for the P3K2's was mid 2020's.
Airlift is before it, but only reason they would make a decision soon for P8 if that's the aircraft they wish to purchase, i'm thinking
is the time restraints on the production line.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Mar 9, 2018 14:20:54 GMT 12
My money is on the P-3 replacement being deferred by the new Gov't. By comparison the C-130 replacement is far more urgent (airframe corrosion/fatigue issues and an unsupportable and unreliable orphan avionics system). I can't see the current Gov't being prepared to approve both projects in their current term given all of their other spending promises. They will get cross party support and general agreement on the C-130 replacement but not the P-3 replacement.
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 11, 2018 7:41:36 GMT 12
Interesting SC-130J variant. Pity Lockheed not putting more effort into it.
@totherchris: If Lockheed Martin had actually put together a prototype/demonstrator SC-130J, a Merlin/Crowsnest Sea Hercules may have been on the cards.
Sent from my TA-1052 using proboards
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Post by area51 on Mar 24, 2018 1:09:59 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 24, 2018 8:21:00 GMT 12
Hopefully this will be the beginning of the long awaited replacement of aircraft for No. 42 Squadron, whose leased King Airs are supposedly being replaced by RNZAF-owned ones that are more capable because navigation training is being brought back to New Zealand. This was "about to happen" back in 2016, then 2017, maybe it is finally about to happen.
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Post by madmac on Mar 24, 2018 8:38:29 GMT 12
One would hope inshore patrol isn't back to the mark 1 eyeball & nothing else plus those side windows would be terrible to try and maintain a watch out of. |
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Post by beagle on Mar 25, 2018 18:15:01 GMT 12
of course not. they are still to be kitted out. wait till all the extra are fitted.
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Post by camtech on Mar 25, 2018 18:22:54 GMT 12
They will be fitted with console/s for nav and aeo training, bringing that role back in house. Probable use on inshore patrols plus other utility roles alongside pilot conversion. Straight from DCAF.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Mar 26, 2018 6:48:26 GMT 12
I heard they are only getting 3 airframes so they won't be doing too much inshore patrol work I wouldn't think. They will be busy enough just doing their multi-engine pilot and Air Warefare Officer training roles plus the odd VIP and light transport work.
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Post by gibbo on Mar 26, 2018 7:02:43 GMT 12
I heard they are only getting 3 airframes so they won't be doing too much inshore patrol work I wouldn't think. They will be busy enough just doing their multi-engine pilot and Air Warefare Officer training roles plus the odd VIP and light transport work. Yes 3 would be a backward step if they were to replace the B200. The B200 lease expired Sept 2017 so it's safe to assume a 12 month extension (at least) was taken out but whether they are staying or going apparently word has it we should have some sort of official word in the next week or so. According to story on this link there is sound logic to assume there may be 4 coming... mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2018/03/rnzaf-takes-delivery-of-first-beech.htmlNothing certain of course but even 4 seems a little light given the roles they will be undertaking going forward. I understand even with 4 B200 they were using a simulator somewhere up northern Europe way so it's not as if they appear to have scope to get a simulator & knock 42sqn down to 3 frames. |
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Post by snafu on Mar 31, 2018 21:29:28 GMT 12
Ron Mark at Wanaka
"However, his decisions on both the airforce's C130 Hercules and P3K2 Orion fleets were still some time away.
First he had to review a white paper, then a capability plan, then the ability of the Government to deliver the capability plan, he said.
He would also consider what fitted in with the resources of New Zealand's military partners.
I anticipate that decision will be made in this term of Government,"
if he's looking at extant capability that will fit within 5 eyes he must have liked what he saw when the RAAF P8 dropped in the other week, but if hes looking at a decision by within this term hope he got a good extension on the FMS case
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 3, 2018 13:37:17 GMT 12
Do Defence Spokespeople of opposition parties not scrutenise and study Government Defence White Papers when they are released? Why would he not be fully aware of and up to speed with exactly what is in that White Paper from the day he is appointed at new Defence Minister? It is, after all, his area of "expertise", the very job he has held for years in opposition. Why does it take months or years for him to now review it? Surely he would have formed his opinions and plans a long, long time ago in case his time came to take over as the Minister? Is this just more stalling?
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Post by skyhawkdon on Apr 3, 2018 13:59:22 GMT 12
Just stalling because of Labour's social spending promises/priorities. It won't happen under this Government this term.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Apr 3, 2018 16:04:17 GMT 12
When stuck in a wet Dunedin last week I watched parliament Q and A session and Mark Mitchell was pressing Ron Mark on whether they had ordered the P8 at that time. Ron's answer as above
the new government is "reviewing the white paper and the LTDP. Information I was given mid last year said that Boeing were terminating the P8 line in favour of reverting it back to BBJ production
once the then current USN,RAF and RAAF orders were completed and that any additional orders would have to be committed before July 2017. I understand MOD advised the previous government
of this and were seeking Boeing consent to extend that order date until after the election.
Bottom line we will be operating the oldest ex-P3B's in the world in 2025!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 3, 2018 16:10:33 GMT 12
Stink....
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Post by thelensofhistory on Apr 3, 2018 20:29:24 GMT 12
Just stalling because of Labour's social spending promises/priorities. It won't happen under this Government this term. It does look like the RNZAF's P3K2 Orion and C-130's will fly until their air frames or avionics fall apart. |
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Post by thelensofhistory on Apr 3, 2018 20:37:41 GMT 12
Do Defence Spokespeople of opposition parties not scrutenise and study Government Defence White Papers when they are released? Why would he not be fully aware of and up to speed with exactly what is in that White Paper from the day he is appointed at new Defence Minister? It is, after all, his area of "expertise", the very job he has held for years in opposition. Why does it take months or years for him to now review it? Surely he would have formed his opinions and plans a long, long time ago in case his time came to take over as the Minister? Is this just more stalling? Excluding Mark and perhaps Mitchell , I doubt anyone else in Parliament would give a toss about the contents of the last White Paper. The voters who have permitted successive governments to neglect the NZDF, will have to suffer the eventual consequences. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 3, 2018 20:41:05 GMT 12
But surely as a party's Defence Spokesperson their job is to keep abreast of Defence matters?
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Post by thelensofhistory on Apr 3, 2018 21:10:07 GMT 12
But surely as a party's Defence Spokesperson their job is to keep abreast of Defence matters? For sure, but in the cultural bubble that New Zealand exists, defence matters have been relegated to the political backwaters. The absence of a Churchill type figure in New Zealand politics is noticeable, and most regrettable. |
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Post by isc on Apr 3, 2018 22:16:17 GMT 12
I'm quite sure that the two coalition parties would rather be on the opposition benches, and the way they are working they might be lucky if they even get to the opposition in the next round. Marks has got to make a decision, then get the rest to agree with him, then put it to the house. isc
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