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Post by Richard Wesley on Oct 21, 2017 20:39:27 GMT 12
I don't recognise anything that looks right for a Sunderland, but you are correct that the picture does scream flying boat of some type...?
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Post by davidd on Oct 22, 2017 9:45:30 GMT 12
Could that interior shot (inside a flying boat?) be the last Kawanishi "Emily" flying boat (Navy Type 2) in Japan? Absolutely a wild guess, but I believe that the fuselage cross section of the "Emily" looked very similar to this. And the untitled aircraft two above this last also looks Japanese, and after a quick check have no problem in confirming this as a Mitsubishi "Nell twin-engine bomber (Navy Type 96).
David D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 22, 2017 13:01:15 GMT 12
Hmm, yes that could well be an Emily. I'll wait and see if Don contacts me with a correction.  |
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Post by rone on Oct 22, 2017 14:03:57 GMT 12
Whatever the aircraft is, it is of British origin. The clue is the Methyl Bromide fire extinguisher in its bracket just to right of centre of the picture. Surprised the expert commentators on here did not spot it. And it is not in a Sunderland.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 22, 2017 14:58:44 GMT 12
I was not convinced it was a Sunderland, I just could not think of any other NZ type that big inside. However I am open to suggestions.
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Post by rone on Oct 22, 2017 15:38:31 GMT 12
Try this. what about the rear of the flight deck of a Bristol Freighter. It may not be a NZ aircraft.
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Post by camtech on Oct 22, 2017 16:04:32 GMT 12
Definitely not a Bristol Freighter - far too much space!
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Post by Richard Wesley on Oct 22, 2017 21:07:12 GMT 12
Try this. what about the rear of the flight deck of a Bristol Freighter. It may not be a NZ aircraft. It passed through my mind briefly due to the offset ladder but would be a very bloated Freighter with that much head room. I didn't think much about the extinguisher, but the way the floor panels are constructed with aluminium edging is very much standard British construction from my experience. Instruments and part numbers on some of the frames point towards it not being Japanese. |
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Post by davidd on Oct 23, 2017 8:22:38 GMT 12
I was hoping somebody might spot something significant among all those number at upper right on the bulkhead, also the "equipment" in centre is pretty clear, but what is it? Also the vertically mounted adjustable control cables on right must operate something interesting. Think of all the large British aircraft produced during and since WW2 and try to isolate those with similar fuselage cross sections, especially in central section of fuselage. Would a Beverley be a possibility? Don't think any British flying boats had such a cross section.
David D
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Post by baronbeeza on Oct 23, 2017 8:41:54 GMT 12
I was thinking the wheel at the centre of the pic was for a manually turned DF loop. Is that a direct reading protractor scale or graticule, I am not a navigator, or avionics..
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Post by McFly on Oct 23, 2017 9:02:15 GMT 12
I don't recognise anything that looks right for a Sunderland, but you are correct that the picture does scream flying boat of some type...? Might suggest something British as this photo of Shorts S23 Aft Facing Radio Operators panel indicates the same type of radio set-up plus similar structure, seat base, 'wheels' and fit-out etc, however it does differ from the photo in question. Nevertheless, it's probably British, may be a flying boat and presumably dates from the late 30's early 40's..? Happy hunting... :-) "The aft-facing Radio Operator's station on the flight deck of the Short S.23 Empire (or: 'C-') Class flying boats of Imperial Airways, from the late 1930's"  |
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Post by davidd on Oct 23, 2017 10:33:30 GMT 12
Ah, now we're getting closer, thanks to the Empire boat picture above, no doubt about the radio equipment. However note the curved roof of the Empire boat (and I think most of the big Short boats had similarly curved upper fuselages), although the mighty Shetland seems, from photos, to have had a flatter upper fuselage. In fact the Shetland is now my prime candidate, although at one stage I was favouring the AW Ensign, of similar vintage (1938-ish), and quite broad of beam, and high winged. However the big boats would seem be even more commodious, thus my choice. Noticeable in the second photo is that the cross-section of the fuselage changed quite drastically as it progresses aft, and more curved coming forward towards the cockpit.
David D
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Post by TS on Oct 23, 2017 12:21:07 GMT 12
Now I have no idea but is there any reason that it can't be American? For example Martin Mariner and a like?  |
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Post by davidd on Oct 23, 2017 12:50:53 GMT 12
I forget about the "G" Class boats (Golden Hind and friends) - they could be a possibility too. I think the confirmation of British wireless equipment clearly evident in both photos tends to dump the American options out of contention in my opinion.
David D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 23, 2017 15:22:11 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 23, 2017 15:23:14 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 23, 2017 15:25:27 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 10:35:18 GMT 12
Love the P-40 restoration shots.
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Post by planewriting on Oct 24, 2017 15:33:33 GMT 12
What is the serial of that P-40?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 24, 2017 16:07:28 GMT 12
The P-40 under rebuild in the photos is either NZ3094 or NZ3119, they had both there. The former is now with the Pay family in Aussie, and the latter now in the USA, both flyable.
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