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Post by hurricanejim on Apr 16, 2016 21:23:54 GMT 12
I see that Tiger Moth ZK-BLM is listed for sale on TradeMe at $110,000, closing at the end of the month. Would be awesome to see it remain in New Zealand. I remember that a local guy in Wyndham used to have one back in the 1950s, one of the Burns brothers who ran the garage. He used to take off and land at the racecourse and had a strip next to the road where I now live. Beautiful airplane, I wouldn't mind flying one myself. That or a Hurricane.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Apr 16, 2016 22:28:13 GMT 12
That listing has been running for many, many months. Perhaps more than a year.
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Post by tigger on Apr 3, 2018 13:22:04 GMT 12
IT WOULD PAY TO HAVE AN INSPECTION CARRIED OUT TO DETERMINE IF IT HAS ANY WING SPARS MADE BY CROYDON AIRCRAFT AT MANDEVILLE. THESE ARE KNOWN TO BE NOT COMPLYING WITH THE De Havilland DRAWINGS AND ALSO ILLEGAL. TRY AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE-De Havilland DH 82 Series Aircraft.
Cheers Tigger
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Post by Bruce on Apr 3, 2018 19:01:32 GMT 12
IT WOULD PAY TO HAVE AN INSPECTION CARRIED OUT TO DETERMINE IF IT HAS ANY WING SPARS MADE BY CROYDON AIRCRAFT AT MANDEVILLE. THESE ARE KNOWN TO BE NOT COMPLYING WITH THE De Havilland DRAWINGS AND ALSO ILLEGAL. TRY AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE-De Havilland DH 82 Series Aircraft. Cheers Tigger Lets just clarify that with some facts so as not to be libellous.... Should it have Croydon Wing spars (and there is nothing to say whether it has or hasnt) its not ILLEGAL, but it is RESTRICTED. If it has a current release to service, it legally has to have all airworthiness Directives addressed. Any purchaser would check the documentation anyway before purchasing. One needs to be careful making statements such as the above which may adversely affect legitimate commercial activities - it is not appropriate on such a forum. also, please find your caps lock key - "Shouty" sentences all in capitals appears abusive. * DCA/DH82/129A Croydon Manufactured Wing and Aileron Spars – Flight Limitation Applicability: De Havilland DH82 Tiger Moth series aircraft fitted with wing spars manufactured under NZ STC 0/21E/5 by Croydon Aircraft Co Limited (STC issue date 22 January 2003). For DH82 Tiger Moth series aircraft, affected wing spar part numbers are as follows: Wing spar position: LH P/N: RH P/N: Top front H34737 /C H34738 /C Top rear H34356 /C H34357 /C Bottom front H35096 /C H35097 /C Bottom rear H36830 /C H36831 /C De Havilland DH82 Tiger Moth series aircraft fitted with aileron spars manufactured under NZ STC 0/21E/4 by Croydon Aircraft Co Limited (STC issue date 22 March 2003). For DH82 Tiger Moth series aircraft, affected aileron spar part numbers are as follows: Aircraft: LH P/N: RH P/N: DH82A Tiger Moth H37581A /C H37582A /C Note 1: DCA/DH82/129A revised to clarify the applicability and introduce the STC issue dates. Requirement: Review the aircraft records and determine if an affected P/N spar is fitted to the aircraft. If an affected spar is found fitted, then aerobatics, or other flights involving high load factors are prohibited. If an affected spar is found fitted please notify the CAA by completing a CA005 Defect Report form. Please provide the spar part and serial numbers, and a copy of the release documentation. The form can be obtained from www.caa.govt.nz/Forms/CA005D_Form.pdf The completed form can be emailed to the CAA at CA005@caa.govt.nz Note 2: The investigation is ongoing and further AD action may follow. Compliance: From 4 August 2017 (the effective date of DCA/DH82/129). Effective Date: DCA/DH82/129 - 4 August 2017 DCA/DH82/129A - 10 August 2017 |
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 3, 2018 19:44:09 GMT 12
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Apr 3, 2018 20:02:53 GMT 12
MODERATORS: Remove the offending post? Member joined to post that as a one-and-only, and critical, contribution...?
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Post by tigger on Apr 4, 2018 10:53:04 GMT 12
Hi there, yesterday i posted an air directive for DH 82 aircraft and a concern for spars that have been made by a local NZ company that have been deemed not airworthy by the NZCAA. This is also the case in the UK were some of these spars have been sold. Story goes that a restorer in England had received a spar kit and had noticed they did not seem to comply with regular Moth spars. In fact this guy became the Quality Control Inspector that NZ Aviation should have had in place. CAA NZ state that the Authority to make these spars had ceased in May 2008 and the spars and documentation issued after this was not valid. However they were continued to be made and shipped to unwitting customers. The spars themselves did not comply withe the original Supplement Type Certificate that was issued from CAA NZ but were made thicker to allow any imperfections to be dressed out and if the spindling machine behaved itself you wound up with a thick spar but slightly smaller radius on the machined area. This is what the CAA both here and in the UK are trying to address now. If this forum is not interested in this type of knowledge being brought up on the forum please let me know and don't just take it upon your selves to wipe it off with know explanation.
Cheers Tigger
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 4, 2018 11:00:52 GMT 12
The reason the post was removed from public view was because some of us in the moderation team were discussing whether some items stated were not going to cause legal problems for the forum. It has not been "wiped", it was just not public.
By the way, the issues are well known to all operators of the aircraft type here in NZ and around the world. It is hardly news.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 4, 2018 11:05:29 GMT 12
I would like to remind readers that any posts made by members are their own views and not necessarily the views and opinions of the Wings Over New Zealand Forum. This particular one is a sensitive issue, but also a well known one in the circles of people that need to know and most have already been working through rectifying what needs to be done.
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Post by Bruce on Apr 4, 2018 12:51:16 GMT 12
The airworthiness directive dates back to August 2017 - those affected will already know about the issue and will be working with CAA on it.
Airworthiness Directives are a significant issue, but every year approx 60 are issued for various aircraft and components. The ADs do vary in severity, but generally would not be worthy of special mention on the forum.
The concern I raised was the implication from the post that the Tiger Moth in question has affected spars. There is no evidence of this. This could have implications on the fair sale of the aircraft, which could expose the forum to libel action.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 4, 2018 13:56:00 GMT 12
Since this thread is two years old I have no idea why it has even resurfaced...
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Post by tigger on Apr 4, 2018 14:20:38 GMT 12
Thanks Dave, all taken on board, but the investigation is lees than a year old.I have spoken withe the Chief engineer from UK LAA,and the topic has been quite hot over there for the past few months!! this is not 2 year old news by any means. This is now with the UK authorities.
The last Ad shows drawings of the De Haviland spar section and also the NZ made spar section and is showing the Radius that is effected.
If you have an STC drawing to make a part from you must adhere to this and the signing authority which has been allowed for this work is something that should not be taken lightly.Now the parts made did not follow the drawings and the signing authority was ceased in May 2008.
You can put spin on this any way you want but this is were the safety net falls apart.
Cheers Tigger
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Apr 4, 2018 14:42:21 GMT 12
There is more to this than just an AD and it's associated significance. Agendas are at play. Human factors. Tigger, be very careful of what you post and your motives for it. The UK and NZ CAA safety nets are working as they should. I personally do not welcome your unnecessary post for this reason. It can also appear antagonistic from someone who has never contributed anything else at all to this positive venue.
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Post by tigger on Apr 4, 2018 16:04:32 GMT 12
There is more to this than just an AD and it's associated significance. Agendas are at play. Human factors. Tigger, be very careful of what you post and your motives for it. The UK and NZ CAA safety nets are working as they should. I personally do not welcome your unnecessary post for this reason. It can also appear antagonistic from someone who has never contributed anything else at all to this positive venue. Hello Johny, the UK net is working because the old restorer with failing eyesight reported the dodgy spar to The LAA Chief Engineer. They told NZCAA who then brought out the NZ net because no Quality inspections were C/O here. It may appear antagonistic but the idea of posting was to bring it to peoples attention that this sort of thing happens in NZ. Would yourself make a bogus part and falsify the paper work to ensure a sale ?. I don't think JohnyFalcon would do this somehow. Sorry about ruffling feathers and if you have a better way of doing this please let know. The forum has become like all the other walls i have run into with this and i can only presume no one cares. We can leave it here if you think that is the way it should be done. I'm happy as i given my best shot and this forum was to be my last way of reaching fair minded honest people Cheers Tigger, |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 4, 2018 16:25:07 GMT 12
Authorities are dealing with this situation and have been doing so for some time. No-one needs to know people's personal opinions, nor do we need to have any finger pointing and antagonism here, so you've said your piece, now leave it, walk away, and I am locking the thread.
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