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Post by harrysone on Aug 8, 2016 14:57:34 GMT 12
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Post by shorty on Aug 8, 2016 15:52:13 GMT 12
I have the Forma-Plane kit of the Mk 2 Hastings plus the "Scale Models" magazine August 1982 which has the detailed article of building it. I also have a set of 3 views and article on the RNZAF ones from "Aeroplane" August 2004. Don't know when (or if) I'll get around to it
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Post by harrysone on Aug 8, 2016 16:18:12 GMT 12
Yeah, vac-form models require you to have an epiphany before you start them! I tend to find they kinda flow along after that, along with all your finger prints and finger nails (from all the sanding!).
I imagine building a vacform Hastings in 1/72 would need quite a bit more 'contemplation'. I see there is now a resin kit for the Hastings, unfortunately however, I don't think you'll ever see one as an injection molding. You could possibly use Halifax wings and undercarriage to shorten the build?? Not sure how much commonality there would be.
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Post by Bruce on Aug 8, 2016 21:26:02 GMT 12
I've done the Formaplane 1/72 Hastings and it wasnt bad. (theres a thread about it somewhere here on the forum) I decided not to change the tailplane though since it didnt shout that it wasnt right.There was a bit of internal structural work to do around the wing roots as with any large Vacform, but its not hard. I used Airfix Halifax parts for the undercarriage, engines, ADF fairings etc, and used white metal props (For the Bristol freighter). I dont think the wings (and particularly the Nacelles) of a Halifax are that close a match, and the vacform bits were pretty good anyway (I built mine with drooping flaps, since thats how Hastings always seem to be parked).
That Welsh Models Hastings is looking Nice there Harrysone - keep posting progress shots!
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Post by harrysone on Aug 9, 2016 14:56:27 GMT 12
cool... I read someplace that one of the two complete Halifax restorations utilized both main planes and center section from a derelict Hastings...there must be some commonality? Progressing
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Post by harrysone on Aug 13, 2016 14:33:12 GMT 12
re-scribed hz stab and painted
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2016 16:46:52 GMT 12
From what I have read the wings and engines and undercarriage on a Hastings are identical to the later model Halifax. The Hastings was to a Halifax what a York was to a Lancaster, i.e. using wings, undercast and engine set-ups that were already well proven and in production and plentiful, with a new designed fuselage to suit the civilian role.
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Post by Bruce on Aug 13, 2016 16:49:11 GMT 12
Wings, Yes, Nacelles, very different...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2016 17:15:39 GMT 12
But they have the same engines, don't they? Bristol Hercules.
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Post by Bruce on Aug 13, 2016 18:47:28 GMT 12
The engines sit a lot further forward on the Hastings (C of G will be quite different), the thrust lines are lower and the nacelles are a completely different shape. The Engines themselves are a later model with fan cooling and the exhaust systems are completely different. The Hastings also has leading edge oil cooler ducts and different wing tips. I considered using Airfix Halifax wings on my Hastings, but the amount of lopping and chopping involved, plus removing the infamous Airfix rivets, and the fact they wouldnt have solved the wing root, centre section issues (Much wider fuselage on the Hastings, so the attachments on the model would need bodging) meant it was just as easy to use the Vacform bits with some extra internal structure.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2016 19:27:01 GMT 12
Thanks Bruce, that all makes sense.
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Post by Bruce on Aug 13, 2016 20:06:13 GMT 12
Slightly off topic but related to shared wing designs, did you know the early -100 series Armstromg Whitworth Argosy had wings from an Avro Shackleton? By the -200 series they had a new wing design that was lighter, stronger and removed fatigue life restrictions, but also allowed a wider engine spacing. They had problems on the -100s getting propellers of the right diameter to fit the Darts, but would fit in the spaces for smaller contraprops... Useless fact of the day!
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Post by davidd on Aug 13, 2016 20:31:39 GMT 12
Although the general outline of the Hastings and Halifax wings look similar, early model Halifaxes had 98 foot span, later models had 104 foot, and Hastings had 113 foot span. I take it that the Hastings had a longer centre section, or perhaps an additional stub centre section inside the much wider fuselage. Does this make sense? David D
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Post by harrysone on Aug 13, 2016 22:27:40 GMT 12
if you look at the profile of the wingtips, the Hastings appear to be much rounder and the Halifax more squared off. Perhaps that's the difference?
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Post by harrysone on Aug 15, 2016 15:30:09 GMT 12
Beginnings of a livery, silver ferns will need to be added
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2016 16:33:36 GMT 12
Looking good!
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Post by harrysone on Aug 20, 2016 16:25:54 GMT 12
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Post by harrysone on Aug 20, 2016 16:29:19 GMT 12
1960s RNZAF Transports
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Post by saratoga on Aug 20, 2016 17:05:07 GMT 12
Very nice line up, and a bit more managable than 1/72 i'd guess!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 20, 2016 18:11:31 GMT 12
Fantastic!
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