jonky
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Aug 16, 2017 23:24:48 GMT 12
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Post by jonky on Aug 16, 2017 23:24:48 GMT 12
I need help finding out how many missions my grandfather flew in World War 2 you know Sunderland flying bomber Mark 2
His name is jack waring and was the navigator
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2017 23:30:09 GMT 12
Do you know which squadron he flew with, jonky?
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Post by McFly on Aug 17, 2017 18:12:24 GMT 12
I need help finding out how many missions my grandfather flew in World War 2 you know Sunderland flying bomber Mark 2 His name is jack waring and was the navigator This may be your Grandfather...? Negative Number: MUS0901228 Caption: Leading Aircraftman J.A. Waring receiving the gold medal, as top student in his class, from Air Commodore A. deT. Nevill. Number 3 Wireless School, Winnipeg, Mannitoba, Canada. Further Information: Wing Commander T.R. Michelson, Commanding Officer standing at right. Year of Image: Image Date Information: Format: Digital image  (RNZAF Official) Negative Number: MUS940213 Caption: Group 490 Squadron Officers. West Africa. L-R: Back; Waring, Pearse, Fitzmay, MacPherson, Hall, Alty, Verschefelt, McEwen, Broughton, Wheeler, Johnson, Cowtan, Watt, Anderson. Further Information: Middle; Everson, Simpson, Sly, Wilson, Emmanuel, Lee, Angelo, Labes, Colquhoun, Houtheusen, Stratton, Holloway, Ellis, Davis, Blackman, Martin, Dominey. Front; Heggie, Brabbon, Harman, McGreal, Patterson, King, Roberts, Sherwell, Dunn, Gill, Kilgour, Birch, Howley, August, Wright, Henderson, Simpson, McDonald, Peterson. Year of Image: 1945 Image Date Information: Format: Negative-35mm-B&W  (RNZAF Official) Lots of good info on 490 (NZ) Sqn in the links below and there should be an Operations Record Book (ORB) held somewhere which would list all the missions and assigned crews etc:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._490_Squadron_RNZAFrnzaf.proboards.com/thread/6358/490-nz-squadron-catalinasnzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-2Epi-c5-WH2-2Epi-a.htmlwww.wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/allied/royalairforce/sqdview.php?pid=618forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?31959-Does-anyone-know-anything-about-490-Sqntheflyingboatforum.forumlaunch.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=799 |
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Post by lindsaywaring on Aug 17, 2017 23:19:22 GMT 12
I need help finding out how many missions my grandfather flew in World War 2 you know Sunderland flying bomber Mark 2 His name is jack waring and was the navigator This may be your Grandfather...? Negative Number: MUS0901228 Caption: Leading Aircraftman J.A. Waring receiving the gold medal, as top student in his class, from Air Commodore A. deT. Nevill. Number 3 Wireless School, Winnipeg, Mannitoba, Canada. Further Information: Wing Commander T.R. Michelson, Commanding Officer standing at right. Year of Image: Image Date Information: Format: Digital image (RNZAF Official) Negative Number: MUS940213 Caption: Group 490 Squadron Officers. West Africa. L-R: Back; Waring, Pearse, Fitzmay, MacPherson, Hall, Alty, Verschefelt, McEwen, Broughton, Wheeler, Johnson, Cowtan, Watt, Anderson. Further Information: Middle; Everson, Simpson, Sly, Wilson, Emmanuel, Lee, Angelo, Labes, Colquhoun, Houtheusen, Stratton, Holloway, Ellis, Davis, Blackman, Martin, Dominey. Front; Heggie, Brabbon, Harman, McGreal, Patterson, King, Roberts, Sherwell, Dunn, Gill, Kilgour, Birch, Howley, August, Wright, Henderson, Simpson, McDonald, Peterson. Year of Image: 1945 Image Date Information: Format: Negative-35mm-B&W (RNZAF Official) Lots of good info on 490 (NZ) Sqn in the links below and there should be an Operations Record Book (ORB) held somewhere which would list all the missions and assigned crews etc: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._490_Squadron_RNZAFrnzaf.proboards.com/thread/6358/490-nz-squadron-catalinasnzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-2Epi-c5-WH2-2Epi-a.htmlwww.wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/allied/royalairforce/sqdview.php?pid=618forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?31959-Does-anyone-know-anything-about-490-Sqntheflyingboatforum.forumlaunch.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=799 |
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Post by lindsaywaring on Aug 17, 2017 23:23:11 GMT 12
Hi McFly,
Could you please let me know where you got those photos from? That is definitely my Dad. I would love to get a digital copy of them.
Thanks!
Lindsay
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jonky
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Post by jonky on Aug 18, 2017 0:51:33 GMT 12
Do you know which squadron he flew with, jonky? 490 |
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Post by McFly on Aug 18, 2017 19:25:16 GMT 12
Hi McFly, Could you please let me know where you got those photos from? That is definitely my Dad. I would love to get a digital copy of them. Thanks! Lindsay Hi Lindsay, If you contact Matthew O'Sullivan - matthew.o'sullivan@nzdf.mil.nz (Keeper of Photographs) at the Air Force Museum (www.airforcemuseum.co.nz) he should be able to supply high resolution digital copies of these photographs (Quote Negative Number - MUS0901228 and MUS940213) and may even have other photos of your father in the collection?. Photos for private use incur a cost, unfortunately, so he'll also supply a price list and order form for you.  |
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Post by McFly on Aug 18, 2017 19:30:57 GMT 12
More on this older thread - rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/24712/sunderland-flying-boat including the below from Errol: Lindsay, From my For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Two: Fates 1943-1998): Thu 13 Jul 1944 WEST AFRICA Anti-submarine patrol south of Cape Verde, French West Africa 490 Squadron, RNZAF (Jui, Sierra Leone; detachment at Bathurst, Gambia - 298 Wing)
Sunderland III ML852/P - took off from Bathurst at 1738 captained by Fg Off M E McGreal, RNZAF. At 1900, as it was turning port at 1000 feet, both port engines coughed, spluttered and lost power. With the aircraft rapidly losing height, and the two pilots struggling to bring the port wing up again, the depth charges were rendered safe and jettisoned. Within a few minutes ML852 had ditched in the heavy seas, broken up and sunk. The wireless operator, last seen at his post sending out distress signals, and the RAF flight engineer either died in the crash or drowned as the ‘boat went down. They are commemorated on the Malta Memorial. The eight survivors, five injured, were sighted in their two dinghies by a searching Sunderland the following afternoon at 1600. An American crash boat picked them up at 1723 and landed them at Dakar at 0330 on the 15th. Other RNZAF airmen amongst those who survived were 2nd pilot Fg Off N H B Barker, navigator Plt Off T D Alty, wireless operator-air gunner Fg Off J A Waring, air gunners Fg Off H W N Budd and Wt Off J S Wrigley. All but Barker, McGreal and Waring were injured. A detailed and graphic account of this event forms Chapter 9 of McGreal’s autobiography, A Noble Chance (Wellington, 1994). Wireless Op: NZ421286 Wt Off Richard Allen Piers OPIE, RNZAF - Age 23. 389hrs. Errol |
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jonky
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Post by jonky on Aug 18, 2017 19:42:20 GMT 12
"""WOW"""
Thats my poppy!
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Post by errolmartyn on Aug 18, 2017 22:20:47 GMT 12
Mauri McGreal's autobiography, 'A Noble Chance', published in 1998 inlcudes a dramatic account of his Sunderland's 13 July 1944 crash into the South Atlantic.
Errol
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Post by baronbeeza on Aug 18, 2017 23:11:36 GMT 12
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Post by errolmartyn on Aug 19, 2017 1:28:30 GMT 12
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Post by davidd on Aug 19, 2017 16:55:14 GMT 12
Jonky,
Just to confirm that your grandfather was a Wireless operator/air gunner, and not a navigator. That is why he is being awarded a prize at No. 3 Wireless School, Winnipeg, Manitoba earlier in the thread. The photo must have been taken about October 1942, and he may have graduated in late December 1942, or perhaps in Feb/March 1943.
David D
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jonky
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Post by jonky on Aug 19, 2017 17:14:06 GMT 12
Jonky, Just to confirm that your grandfather was a Wireless operator/air gunner, and not a navigator. That is why he is being awarded a prize at No. 3 Wireless School, Winnipeg, Manitoba earlier in the thread. The photo must have been taken about October 1942, and he may have graduated in late December 1942, or perhaps in Feb/March 1943. David D Yes my grandfather was a wireless operator air Gunner. I never knew what my grandfather truly did how's things like this was never spoken about as you can imagine. I understand my uncle Lindsay mum's brother is after the digital photographs of my grandfather back then when he was awarded top of his class and it also has opened new Avenues and you doors for more information that I never knew existed. I do have the book from Captain McGreal A Noble chance. It is a superb book and a great read and I am happy I purchased it before Christmas last year, as my mum's Christmas presen. The flying Sunderland bummer Mark IIl model built by me and given to my mother as a Christmas gift in memory of my grandfather. |
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