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Post by nuuumannn on Nov 6, 2017 16:23:01 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 6, 2017 18:46:27 GMT 12
Chinese Junks
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Post by The Red Baron on Nov 6, 2017 19:45:38 GMT 12
Interesting how the armoured steel front end and cockpit of the IL-10's have rusted red,a different colour to the aluminium tail ends.
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Post by vultee43 on Nov 6, 2017 21:03:55 GMT 12
Sad they are left to rot. Makes you wonder what else is hidden away there.
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 7, 2017 6:41:06 GMT 12
As I was told directly by the person who acquired the first MiG15s to come out of China,,,, there were a number of P.40s that still have not seen the light of day.
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Post by vultee43 on Nov 7, 2017 15:05:43 GMT 12
Such a vast country there is huge untapped potential for many aircraft remains. Like Russia and the North West African coast it would be very difficult to access with enormous ground to cover. Hopefully one day there may be new discoveries made. P40D in a yert?
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 8, 2017 6:49:01 GMT 12
How about a number of P.40s in a technical school that is also full of AN.2s
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Post by nuuumannn on Nov 12, 2017 20:51:07 GMT 12
How about a number of P.40s in a technical school that is also full of AN.2s Whilst in Beijing I wanted to visit the Beihang University Aerospace Museum, which, unfortunately is currently closed for renovation. It has some interesting airframes, including a P-61 Black Widow and Harrier GR.3, as well as MiG-9, Aero 45, Po-2/U2 and assorted Chinese machines. The Shanghai Civil Aviation College, located on the site of the old Longhua airport has a few airframes, but I didn't go hunting these down owing to the extreme heat and rain from the tropical storm I found myself in the middle of whilst there. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 13, 2017 8:23:06 GMT 12
How did a Chinese university end up with a Harrier GR.3?
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Post by nuuumannn on Nov 13, 2017 10:32:40 GMT 12
The Harrier was swapped for the Lavochkin that used to fly here, that's now with Jerry Yagen. The Old Flying Machine Company arranged the swap and from what I can remember the Chinese were to get a Meatbox, but a Harrier was of greater interest. China was going to buy Harriers in the 1970s, but the British vetoed the sale when China invaded Vietnam in 1979. Didn't stop them selling the type to the Americans...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 13, 2017 12:26:21 GMT 12
Oh right, interesting. I had no idea that China had invaded Vietnam in 1979. I thought they were buddies.
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Post by ZacYates on Nov 13, 2017 15:02:06 GMT 12
I remember mention of the Harrier in the Lavochkin restoration article in Classic Wings. Ray Hanna spent ten years negotiating with them for the La-9! Dave: here's some light reading for you on the Sino-Vietnamese War if you're feeling curious. Then there's the clashes after that until 1990, including the 1988 Johnson Reef skirmish. (I may have spent some time on Wiki last week reading up on Vietnam!) |
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Post by exkiwiforces on Nov 13, 2017 15:25:50 GMT 12
I wonder how many hoops and hurdles you would have to though to get one those IL-10’s out of China?
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 13, 2017 15:48:30 GMT 12
One and possibly both of the A.37s at Temora was flown against the Chinese in that "..border dispute..."
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Post by ZacYates on Nov 15, 2017 12:48:04 GMT 12
I wonder how many hoops and hurdles you would have to though to get one those IL-10’s out of China? Like I mentioned, it took Ray Hanna ten years and a Harrier for a single La-9, but maybe the Il-10s would be easier as (I think) there are more around? It would be nice to see one out and about. Thanks for sharing your pictures Grant. I had a great time browsing through the album on Flickr - I've seen photos from this museum before but you had some new and interesting angles and aircraft I didn't remember. Is the cockpit shot the Yak-18/CJ-5? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 17, 2017 21:43:09 GMT 12
Having seen that La-9 perform a few times, it was well worth the effort and the wait, thank you Ray Hanna! It's such a shame it has not flown in many years now.
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Post by nuuumannn on Nov 17, 2017 23:16:49 GMT 12
Hi Zac, glad you like the pictures. Yep, CJ-5, the others were in much the same condition. The Il-10 cockpits were all empty; no seat, controls or instrument panels; just a rusting hole.
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