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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2023 9:45:22 GMT 12
I didn't know the B.20 has been put into storage.
Maybe one day it will roll out again in RNZAF colours.
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Post by Antonio on Jun 9, 2023 9:50:17 GMT 12
I didn't know the B.20 has been put into storage. Maybe one day it will roll out again in RNZAF colours. Oh yes - PLEASE........ |
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Post by tbf2504 on Jun 9, 2023 11:37:15 GMT 12
There might have to be some discussion with the RAAF as the aircraft was originally gifted on the basis that it would stay in its original colours to mark the close cooperation between the two air forces
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2023 11:45:55 GMT 12
That is a shame. It's not like there are not plenty of RAAF Canberras in other museums.
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Post by ErrolC on Jun 9, 2023 12:19:27 GMT 12
That is a shame. It's not like there are not plenty of RAAF Canberras in other museums. Current Museum policy would not allow changing an exhibit to appear to be something it wasn't in any case, correct? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2023 12:20:10 GMT 12
Sadly. But policy can be changed....
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Post by chrisr on Jun 9, 2023 21:42:34 GMT 12
According to ADF serials A84-240 "took part in the RAAF's first jet bombing mission (Served with 2 Sqn in Malayan Emergency)" and served with the RAAF in Vietnam. It would be a shame to repaint it given it's history.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 9:17:17 GMT 12
My gut reaction is pretty immediate: repainting the Canberra into RNZAF colours just seems wrong. I also remembered hearing/reading something like what tbf2504 mentioned, and then reading Chris' post...
If we're spending hypothetical money on paint then I feel we should repaint existing "masquerading" RNZAF exhibits into their true identifties - I can think of three such examples.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 10, 2023 11:06:52 GMT 12
So you'd rather see a Fieldair Beaver, USAAC P-40, Indonesian Mustang and Auxiliary Air Force Spitfire there, Zac?
The museum is representing the history of the RNZAF and NZPAF. There is nothing wrong with the practice of painting foreign aircraft into RNZAF schemes to evoke the history that the museum is trying to preserve. The modern day policy of wanting them all in the colours they wore themselves while in service is just silly in the circumstances of a museum like that. I can understand the reason the Avenger has returned to its actual serial, and I guess the Harvard could also because it has genuine RNZAF history, but it would have a much more boring colour scheme than the awesome 1942 emergency scheme that it currently has.
Imagine if that policy was applied to the warbirds flying in New Zealand, almost all the fighters and bombers would be in very different colour schemes.
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Post by l29 on Jun 10, 2023 14:57:17 GMT 12
Bring back engine runs. I volunteer to do the Canberra!
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Post by baz62 on Jun 10, 2023 21:29:19 GMT 12
Bring back engine runs. I volunteer to do the Canberra! Hear hear! I'll do the Avenger!  |
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Post by Antonio on Jun 10, 2023 23:38:40 GMT 12
I'll chill out to the sights, sounds & smells  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 19:22:25 GMT 12
So you'd rather see a Fieldair Beaver, USAAC P-40, Indonesian Mustang and Auxiliary Air Force Spitfire there, Zac? Not at all, I was thinking of the Anson, Harvard and Tiger Moth. I should have made my statement clearer. |
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 22, 2023 10:14:00 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2023 9:51:43 GMT 12
Media Release: 16 August 2023: NZ4203 heading to the Air Force Museum of New ZealandThe Air Force Museum of New Zealand will welcome the latest addition to its collection aircraft in September – a Lockheed P-3K2 Orion NZ4203. NZ4203 is a national hero, flying more than 27,000 hours during its illustrious 54-year career. It took part in hundreds of missions including search and rescue operations, anti-submarine patrols and spent thousands of hours protecting our Exclusive Economic Zone. Air Force Museum of New Zealand Director Brett Marshall said it had been a long wait to get an Orion. “To say we’re excited would be an understatement. NZ4203 will be the largest aircraft in our collection and one of the most significant. “We are delighted to be able to ensure its preservation for the nation.’’ “We look forward to being able to tell the many stories associated with this extraordinary aircraft type which served us so well for so long.’’ Built by Lockheed in Burbank California in 1966, NZ4203 entered service with the RNZAF in April 1967. In 2021 it became the first of the type to retire from service when it flew a farewell mission to land at RNZAF Base Woodbourne. Mr Marshall said the Orion fleet had given a huge amount of service over 54 years and NZ4203 deserved a happy retirement at the museum where it will be preserved as the only surviving RNZAF example of the type, as it was for its last mission – minus any sensitive military equipment. “NZ4203 was the first RNZAF Orion to land in Antarctica back in 2006. It has also taken part in numerous humanitarian and search and rescue missions and has been a lifesaver for many people who have found themselves needing help a long way from home.’’ NZ4203 served with No. 5 Squadron at RNZAF Base Whenuapai and was regularly upgraded to extend its lifespan, receiving new avionics and radio systems in the 1980s and new wings in the 1990s. The aircraft was decommissioned at RNZAF Base Woodbourne in Blenheim and will arrive at the Air Force Museum of New Zealand by road in late August, where it will be stored in the museum’s reserve collection hangar until an exhibition space large enough to house it can be built. NZ4203 is 36m long, has a wingspan of just over 30m, and its tail stands 10.3m tall. “Our current exhibition halls are too small to accommodate it, so we’re busy working on plans for a new space to exhibit it,’’ Mr Marshall said. “We will keep everyone posted on our plans as they progress.’’ The Air Force Museum of New Zealand is a world class heritage operation with more than 30 aircraft and more than 1 million artefacts in its collection. The Christchurch museum attracts more than 150,000 visitors each year and is free to the public. It includes a memorial to the more than 4,600 Kiwis who have died while serving with the RNZAF or other air forces since 1915. NZ4203 has been donated to the museum by the RNZAF. The Orions have been replaced by a fleet of four Boeing P-8A Poseidon aircraft. ENDS For more information or pictures please contact: David King Communications Manager Air Force Museum of New Zealand communications@airforcemuseum.co.nz 021 499 602   |
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Post by ex on Aug 20, 2023 14:45:43 GMT 12
The rest of the P3s are being parted out then what's left will be disposed of.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 5, 2023 17:38:25 GMT 12
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Post by Antonio on Sept 5, 2023 18:36:45 GMT 12
Slight hijack. Nice line-up  |
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Post by hardyakka on Sept 5, 2023 21:59:30 GMT 12
Some twit on Facebook is having a crack at the RNZAF for not thinking about landing 4302 at Christchurch to save on trucking costs to Wigram. The fact that six aircraft are being decommissioned and only one hulk is going to the museum seems to have gone right over his head. Splitting your crew over two locations and having the RNZAF techs away from base to do the job on one aircraft in Chch, just to save a few grand on the very last stage of trucking an airframe to Wigram is probably a false economy. Plus all the gear taken off the aircraft (engines, avionics, sensors etc.) would then have to be shipped back to Woodbourne anyway. The RNZAF logistics folk are not stupid. I’m betting that the sums were done very carefully and doing it this way was found to be the best solution. But apparently some random on FB knows better… Rant over. As you were. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 5, 2023 22:04:52 GMT 12
You make good points there Evan. I have to admit I also initially wondered why it was not being flown directly to Harewood when it retired but you make sense. And also seeing it on the truck surprised me a lot as I thought it would have been a lot larger a load on the truck but the fuselage seems a lot smaller with the wings off, making the road trip not as bad as I'd envisioned.
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