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Post by agalbraith on Feb 6, 2018 10:34:23 GMT 12
I know, its a shame.
Dave, Goff's team got no positive response and finally the elections were close. The window of Political opportunity/gain (for them) had closed and they had no further interest in perusing it after that either.
Although the Museum has no 'Rights' to the Sunderland, perhaps it might be a way of redeeming their reputation , preserving a rare piece of RNZAF History and doing something nice for the Chatham's locals after the fires??
Just a thought
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Post by joey05 on Feb 6, 2018 15:52:09 GMT 12
I’ll take the pv1!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 6, 2018 17:13:20 GMT 12
Look, if there is enough feeling and will here regarding the PV-1, why not do something about it. How about we as a group see if we can use the forum strength to bring it home? After all there are some very notable members here, with influence and who know the right people. The RNZAF was obviously willing to help before and so maybe keen again. There are other museums, perhaps the go getters at Classic Flyers would be much more interested in the project than Wigram? Or maybe the AHC? There is also these days something that didn't exist before, crowdfunding through Givealittle. Anthony, the aircraft is worth it - it's a genuine combat bomber of No. 3 Squadron RNZAF, do you think it is worth trying again with the work you'd previously done, but leave Wigram right out of it and bring the PV-1 home? Shit, people are getting behind a project to bring home several massive airliners, the Ventura is a lot more feasible, surely?
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Post by tbf25o4 on Feb 7, 2018 8:43:08 GMT 12
A lot of what will be needed to retrieve NZ4522 from Talasea is to work through NZ's diplomatic channels with the PNG Government. PNG like other South West Pacific nations have clamped down on the
removal of WWII relics as they consider them to be part of their history, and unless a lot of money changes hands, or there is some reciprocal arrangement with the government of the country
wishing to recover a wreck then the exercise can become difficult.
My reckoning is that working through diplomatic channels with support of the RNZAF and Air Force Museum may be the best way of getting approval to recover the aircraft. Once that is
agreed then the logistics of actual recovery by NZDF resources or otherwise would have to be addressed. Talasea is a little out of the way for normal commercial shipping etc
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Post by TS on Feb 7, 2018 12:24:28 GMT 12
Is there any chance of seeing a picture of how she looks now or back when this was first muted???
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Post by dazz on Feb 7, 2018 15:41:33 GMT 12
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Post by agalbraith on Jul 15, 2018 16:27:45 GMT 12
Sorry to drag up an old topic....its wet and cold and I just bashed my hand whilst working on my Auster. Need a coffee and was thinking about the Museums Avenger. How awesome would this look if they modified the paintscheme by patching up the blue, giving her a yellow tail, noseart and removed the turret? Put the turret on display so the public can get a close look at one and represent the contribution the RNZAF made to NZ Ag Aviation history postwar....  I know it's the minority who would like to see this happen, but all the other Avengers are going to have turrets.... I'll duck for cover |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 15, 2018 17:09:16 GMT 12
NOPE!  |
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Post by agalbraith on Jul 15, 2018 17:54:58 GMT 12
Oh LOL....how did I know that
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Post by saratoga on Jul 15, 2018 18:09:19 GMT 12
Sounds ok, maybe Fonterra could sponsor the change,as they are the eventual beneficiary of the trials...  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 15, 2018 18:45:16 GMT 12
It's in an Air Force Museum.not a farming museum.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 15, 2018 18:47:19 GMT 12
So it should be displayed in the longest-serving RNZAF configuration: a target tug, then?   |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 15, 2018 18:58:28 GMT 12
You're obsessed with tugging...
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Post by agalbraith on Jul 15, 2018 19:14:45 GMT 12
It's in an Air Force Museum.not a farming museum. Yes but the Airforce did lots of interesting stuff. Take the Auster for example, Used on the Ice and ski trials etc etc.....but does that mean it should be displayed at the Antarctic Centre, because Wigram isn't a South Pole Museum? Although, I just think you are winding us..... |
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Post by shorty on Jul 15, 2018 21:33:46 GMT 12
I'm voting for the tug configuration
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Post by jp on Jul 16, 2018 9:41:22 GMT 12
looked spectacular in its target tug colours after its first restoration...... WW2 scheme is very uninspiring by comparison... ditto when comparing the current anonymous P-40 scheme with the one it wore early on its restoration...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 11:32:52 GMT 12
Agreed, jp. That said, I haven't been fortunate enough to see the finished aircraft in person so my opinion's solely based on photos and I imagine I'll appreciate it much more in person. The old Spencer Flack quote about what colour he painted his Spitfire comes to mind...which is why I have plenty of photo references of that P-40 scheme for when I magically get my own P-40E I do like the sound of that yellow-tailed scheme. But surely when thinking about the overall NZ service of the Avenger the topdressing trials - for Wigram's purposes - should be represented by a display board and maybe a model? |
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Post by baz62 on Jul 16, 2018 12:07:55 GMT 12
Yes! Or NZ2539.
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Post by agalbraith on Jul 16, 2018 12:15:41 GMT 12
LOL....now now Baz!
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Post by agalbraith on Jul 16, 2018 12:19:04 GMT 12
I do like the sound of that yellow-tailed scheme. But surely when thinking about the overall NZ service of the Avenger the topdressing trials - for Wigram's purposes - should be represented by a display board and maybe a model? In all fairness to the Museum Zac, they have a nice video playing on a screen next to her showing her with '03' doing the trials |
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