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Post by Dave Homewood on May 7, 2018 9:04:44 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on May 7, 2018 9:54:14 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 7, 2018 10:23:06 GMT 12
Hmm, so it looks like the Herald has put the video on the wrong article? I wondered why it was on the history article.
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Post by Richard Wesley on May 7, 2018 13:52:55 GMT 12
Great video, thanks for sharing. It is wonderful that we are finally getting to see this magnificent project. It really is right up there in terms of quality and wow factor, combined with rich New Zealand aviation history with ZK-AFD markings.
Can anyone comment on whether the publicity around this project (I see it is published in a large Classic Aviation book published this year), means that it is ok to now post photos of the project on the forum here. I remember I published some photos years ago in ignorance of the wishes of the project owner to stay under the radar.
It's such a great photo it would be great to see photos of the restoration over its twenty year history.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 7, 2018 15:26:50 GMT 12
Yes it is an amazing project, I have visited it on a couple of occasions back when it was still hush hush, and I'm really impressed by it. When it rolls out and gets flying it'll make an amazing sight to see.
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Post by Peter Lewis on May 7, 2018 18:24:46 GMT 12
His DC-3 was, of course, our old friend ZK-AWP 1995-1998.
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Post by TS on May 8, 2018 8:29:49 GMT 12
I can remember standing on the deck at NE watching ZK AWP land and then taxi right up to the deck with the nose only inches from me. So much so myself and others could lean out and rest our pints of beer on it (as you do  . Oh for a cell phone back then for a quick pic.... If I'm correct Rob ( also an NE member) owned her because his father used to fly it. His plan was to repaint her back into NAC livery, but then the Electra came onto the scene shortly after.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 21:14:59 GMT 12
I've been excited about this project for many years and it's wonderful to catch a glimpse of progress. She will certainly be a treasured addition to the scene!
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Post by davidd on May 15, 2018 11:33:47 GMT 12
When the Lockheed 10A first went into production, the concept of lapping compound being required between all such plate overlaps in the airframe was not well understood, but with more and more examples of the new all-metal airliners coming into service, they soon found out! The first three Union Airways aircraft (AFC to AFD) had no lapping compound, the next two pre-war examples (AGJ, AGK) did. By this time Lockheed 10As all around the world (and no doubt large numbers of DC-3s and Boeing 247s) were suffering from galloping corrosion in their lap-joints, and Lockheed had to advise all operators of their aircraft as to what to do. This required that practically the entire aeroplane had to be de-riveted, the "missing" compound then being inserted, and then (probably) all-new rivets had to be fixed in place - what a job!! I think they had to do this sort of job on all surviving Spitfires from the 1970s onwards, as these aircraft (with magnesium rivets) were built (with full-knowledge) to self-destruct over time - they obviously figured that the savings in weight of the lighter rivets were worth the limit on life span, strange as it may seem to us. To be fair, the Spitfire airfranes probably outlasted those of the Messerschmitt 262, which featured aluminium and steel components (again with no lapping compound). However I have never read how Electras went through the de-riveting, re-riveting process - you would imagine that a full set of jigs would be required, but perhaps they did it in a certain sequence and cunning strategies that managed to preserve some sort of structural rigidity to each component, plus a final test of trueness - does anybody know how they did it? Probably described in some ancient and fading Lockheed drawings and technical instructions being consumed as we speak by those tireless silverfish with an endless appetite for old paper somewhere in the world! Operators of the time had a simple choice, undertake this job or have your expensive airliner slowly self-destruct.
Another point of interest is that the early P&W Wasp Juniors had spring-pressurised grease reservoirs for lubrication of the overhead valve rocker shafts, which required recharging (by grease gun) every few flying hours, and it was soon found that if these were not recharged as required by manufacturer's instructions, the valve gear would start chattering and squeaking quite merrily. I think that, again, Union's first three Electras had the original lube system, and possibly the next two had the new, automatic oiling system (not grease) supplying warm oil to the required locations directly from the main engine lubrication system (no more squeaking!) These little gems I have learned from some of the old-time UAW engineers such as Wilton Johnston, and E R (Eric Roy) McDonald, the latter becoming the chief inspector for UAW, then NAC and into the jet era. Of course these pioneers have all now long gone, and much of what they experienced has long gone too, although the technical history of these types of aircraft might still reside with the original manufacturers, or their successors.
David D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 0:06:48 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 14, 2019 0:23:22 GMT 12
Better photos on Hawk Aero's site |
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Post by aeromedia on Dec 14, 2019 13:35:38 GMT 12
Jeez, that is a thing of great beauty.
Can’t wait to see it on the circuit. And in the circuit for that matter.
Always had a soft spot for those lovely classic Lockheed twins.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Dec 14, 2019 17:59:06 GMT 12
You and me both aeromedia. I love the Lockheed range of classic airliners with their multiple fins
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 14, 2019 18:25:18 GMT 12
Especially love the Lockheed airliners with turrets and guns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:07:07 GMT 12
Thank you Dave, gorgeous pictures indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 19:18:30 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 12:56:05 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 31, 2024 13:25:25 GMT 12
Great! Must make sure 3-stop lens filter is in the camera bag. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 15:42:31 GMT 12
I'm excited to see your photos, Errol! Classic Wings magazine has shared a great video of the first takeoff on Facebook (link), hopefully I can embed it here for all to see: |
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Jan 31, 2024 18:25:17 GMT 12
I picked a bad day to not have my camera with me, but I did get to see both flights it did today fortunately. It looks and sounds amazing.
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. Oh for a cell phone back then for a quick pic....
