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Post by nighthawknz on Aug 13, 2019 22:54:28 GMT 12
I assume she would have to hang around up there for testing new systems etc or not? I assume the same thing (hence why I said before end of year...) was just wondering if anyone knew her due back date... (if all goes well) |
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Post by machina on Sept 5, 2019 20:01:16 GMT 12
Saw a frigate being manoeuvred in the harbour today as I crossed the bridge.
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Post by pepe on Sept 5, 2019 22:44:19 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Sept 6, 2019 9:13:09 GMT 12
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Post by nighthawknz on Sept 6, 2019 9:49:56 GMT 12
hope all the visiting saliors have been vaccinated...  |
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Post by mcmaster on Sept 6, 2019 14:13:17 GMT 12
Might have to shift this to visiting foreign navy thread. I got excited thinking Te Kaha was unrecognizable after the upgrade  Anyway although they talk training in the PR seems its a training vessel and one older but still very capable destroyer. |
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Post by dgd911 on Sept 6, 2019 15:51:07 GMT 12
Might have to shift this to visiting foreign navy thread. I got excited thinking Te Kaha was unrecognizable after the upgrade Anyway although they talk training in the PR seems its a training vessel and one older but still very capable destroyer. Thanks for the heads up on this. Couldn’t resist going for a visit, open afternoon from 1pm to 3pm. didnt see much of the training vessel as visitors just crossed over its deck to the destroyer., tour pathway went to bow to view OTO-Malera 76mm gun nicely aimed at the Skytower. When I asked a LT officer if he could demo shooting skills by taking out top of Skytower he looked amused then laughed. Tidy looking two mk41 8 cell VLS but no info on what missiles were in there but the r2d2 Phalanx just above looked purposefully aggressive. The route passed triple torpedo tubes on each side and mid ships two triple harpoon missile launch tubes with nicely curved thick steel blast deflectors. stern helo hangar with sh60 inside which had queues waiting to get photo while wearing helmets and navy jacket. Another Phalanx above hangar. All up an enjoyable visit, crew very friendly, a large number of the visitors seemed to be Japanese. A big THANKS to crews of both ships |
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Post by ErrolC on Sept 7, 2019 12:08:03 GMT 12
Might have to shift this to visiting foreign navy thread. I got excited thinking Te Kaha was unrecognizable after the upgrade Anyway although they talk training in the PR seems its a training vessel and one older but still very capable destroyer. Thanks for the heads up on this. Couldn’t resist going for a visit, open afternoon from 1pm to 3pm. didnt see much of the training vessel as visitors just crossed over its deck to the destroyer., tour pathway went to bow to view OTO-Malera 76mm gun nicely aimed at the Skytower. When I asked a LT officer if he could demo shooting skills by taking out top of Skytower he looked amused then laughed. Tidy looking two mk41 8 cell VLS but no info on what missiles were in there but the r2d2 Phalanx just above looked purposefully aggressive. The route passed triple torpedo tubes on each side and mid ships two triple harpoon missile launch tubes with nicely curved thick steel blast deflectors. stern helo hangar with sh60 inside which had queues waiting to get photo while wearing helmets and navy jacket. Another Phalanx above hangar. All up an enjoyable visit, crew very friendly, a large number of the visitors seemed to be Japanese. A big THANKS to crews of both ships Crosslink to thread in the proper place. rnzaf.proboards.com/post/279670/thread |
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Post by mcmaster on Oct 11, 2019 9:48:35 GMT 12
Pic of new mast and radar.
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Post by dgd911 on Oct 11, 2019 14:06:05 GMT 12
Nice photo. Thanks. Hadn’t noticed before but looks like there are different designs of 5inch gun turret on TeKaha and TeMana. I always though the armaments on both were identical.
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Post by chasper on Oct 11, 2019 15:54:58 GMT 12
We were given a special 'stealth' turret as a test unit and this has been retained at no cost to us apparently. Just curious about the return date of Te Kaha, if things had gone to plan she would have left the refit in February so clearly there are some major issues, no doubt software related.
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Post by thebrads on Oct 11, 2019 19:54:17 GMT 12
Nice photo. Thanks. Hadn’t noticed before but looks like there are different designs of 5inch gun turret on TeKaha and TeMana. I always though the armaments on both were identical. They are the same armaments, only the shape of the turret changed. During the build of the Anzac class, the weapon manufacturer changed the design of the turret to a more stealthy model of turret. By pure chance, Mana happened to be the "first cab off the rank" (worldwide supposedly) so got the new version, as did all subsequent Anzac's, and all other ships subsequently built with the 5" gun. |
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Post by dgd911 on Oct 11, 2019 20:01:38 GMT 12
We were given a special 'stealth' turret as a test unit and this has been retained at no cost to us apparently. Just curious about the return date of Te Kaha, if things had gone to plan she would have left the refit in February so clearly there are some major issues, no doubt software related. Can’t find any info on this ‘gift’ but it does look physically smaller and rounder design so I doubt it just a replacement turret cover, but could be. if not then do we have a spare 5inch gun turret stored at DNB, perhaps along with the three MSI DS25M remote controlled guns from the OPVs/MRV and the two Mk41 8cell VLS plus sea sparrows and all control consoles from the frigates? That almost a complete armament set for new frigate or destroyer hull 😀 |
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Post by dgd911 on Oct 11, 2019 20:09:20 GMT 12
Nice photo. Thanks. Hadn’t noticed before but looks like there are different designs of 5inch gun turret on TeKaha and TeMana. I always though the armaments on both were identical. They are the same armaments, only the shape of the turret changed. During the build of the Anzac class, the weapon manufacturer changed the design of the turret to a more stealthy model of turret. By pure chance, Mana happened to be the "first cab off the rank" (worldwide supposedly) so got the new version, as did all subsequent Anzac's, and all other ships subsequently built with the 5" gun. Thanks for explaining. However, the photos of TeMana and TeKaha on the RNZN web site show that both frigates have the same ‘boxy’ angular looking 5 inch gun turret, identical turrets. Yet now In Canada TeKaha has this smaller more rounded and likely slimmer turret, so me thinks that the turret or cover was actually changed at some time, years after the frigates were delivered. |
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Post by gibbo on Oct 11, 2019 21:12:12 GMT 12
They are the same armaments, only the shape of the turret changed. During the build of the Anzac class, the weapon manufacturer changed the design of the turret to a more stealthy model of turret. By pure chance, Mana happened to be the "first cab off the rank" (worldwide supposedly) so got the new version, as did all subsequent Anzac's, and all other ships subsequently built with the 5" gun. Thanks for explaining. However, the photos of TeMana and TeKaha on the RNZN web site show that both frigates have the same ‘boxy’ angular looking 5 inch gun turret, identical turrets. Yet now In Canada TeKaha has this smaller more rounded and likely slimmer turret, so me thinks that the turret or cover was actually changed at some time, years after the frigates were delivered. They've always had the varied turret housing, right from day #1 |
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Post by nighthawknz on Oct 11, 2019 21:17:49 GMT 12
We were given a special 'stealth' turret as a test unit and this has been retained at no cost to us apparently. Just curious about the return date of Te Kaha, if things had gone to plan she would have left the refit in February so clearly there are some major issues, no doubt software related. Can’t find any info on this ‘gift’ but it does look physically smaller and rounder design so I doubt it just a replacement turret cover, but could be. if not then do we have a spare 5inch gun turret stored at DNB, perhaps along with the three MSI DS25M remote controlled guns from the OPVs/MRV and the two Mk41 8cell VLS plus sea sparrows and all control consoles from the frigates? That almost a complete armament set for new frigate or destroyer hull 😀 I just thought the turret was just the newer version or model design... and the incorporated them on all the frigates after it came out??? |
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Post by senob on Oct 11, 2019 21:40:13 GMT 12
We were given a special 'stealth' turret as a test unit and this has been retained at no cost to us apparently. Just curious about the return date of Te Kaha, if things had gone to plan she would have left the refit in February so clearly there are some major issues, no doubt software related. Can’t find any info on this ‘gift’ but it does look physically smaller and rounder design so I doubt it just a replacement turret cover, but could be. if not then do we have a spare 5inch gun turret stored at DNB, perhaps along with the three MSI DS25M remote controlled guns from the OPVs/MRV and the two Mk41 8cell VLS plus sea sparrows and all control consoles from the frigates? That almost a complete armament set for new frigate or destroyer hull 😀 Why would we want to instal obsolete missiles and consoles on a new build hull? That's an absolute waste of money and would be like replacing the 20 mm cannon on the F-16 with 2 Browning M3 50 cal machine guns. The RIM-7 Sea Sparrows are long past their usefulness, with the ESSM Blk I being the updated variant of them. Now the ESSM Blk I is being replaced by the ESSM Blk II which has just gone into LRIP (Low Rate of Initial production).
From memory, I think that all of the 25 mm guns that is in storage at DNB is just the mountings, because I believe it was just the mountings that were replaced and upgraded with the Rafael Typhoon stabilised gun mounting. As far as I am aware, there was nothing wrong with the guns themselves.
Also, the 5"gun turret cover would be replaced rather than acquire a new gun. Mk 45 Mod 4 5"guns aren't exactly cheap. Why do you think that the Royal Danish Navy haven't replaced the 76 mm guns on both their Iver Huitfeld class frigates with the 5" guns originally specified? They reused some 76 mm guns they had in store.
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Post by dgd911 on Oct 12, 2019 8:14:48 GMT 12
Can’t find any info on this ‘gift’ but it does look physically smaller and rounder design so I doubt it just a replacement turret cover, but could be. if not then do we have a spare 5inch gun turret stored at DNB, perhaps along with the three MSI DS25M remote controlled guns from the OPVs/MRV and the two Mk41 8cell VLS plus sea sparrows and all control consoles from the frigates? That almost a complete armament set for new frigate or destroyer hull 😀it’s Why would we want to instal obsolete missiles and consoles on a new build hull? That's an absolute waste of money and would be like replacing the 20 mm cannon on the F-16 with 2 Browning M3 50 cal machine guns. The RIM-7 Sea Sparrows are long past their usefulness, with the ESSM Blk I being the updated variant of them. Now the ESSM Blk I is being replaced by the ESSM Blk II which has just gone into LRIP (Low Rate of Initial production).
From memory, I think that all of the 25 mm guns that is in storage at DNB is just the mountings, because I believe it was just the mountings that were replaced and upgraded with the Rafael Typhoon stabilised gun mounting. As far as I am aware, there was nothing wrong with the guns themselves.
Also, the 5"gun turret cover would be replaced rather than acquire a new gun. Mk 45 Mod 4 5"guns aren't exactly cheap. Why do you think that the Royal Danish Navy haven't replaced the 76 mm guns on both their Iver Huitfeld class frigates with the 5" guns originally specified? They reused some 76 mm guns they had in store.
It’s the two Mk41 VLS and the MSI 25mm gun mountings I’m referring to. These are not obsolete. Since navy already own SSM then obsolete or not they would be better than nothing for the MK41 until newer missiles were acquired. Certainly more than adequate for deployments such as anti piracy patrols. I also doubt that the MSI DS25M control consoles are junk either, surely upgradeable even if just software. Even so it’s the mountings and consoles that will be the larger cost portion of the DS25M, the naval bushmaster gun being the only new requirement. Never thought there was a spare 5inch gun available, just the possibility of a turret but that now seems to not be the case. |
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Post by madmac on Oct 12, 2019 8:36:35 GMT 12
In the event the Navy manage to keel haul sufficient numbers of bean counters to actually keep the MK41's, wouldn't the most likely path be to put them in a structure that can pickup up the 20 foot container mounts on Aotearoa. Atleast giving us the ability to deploy it on Aotearoa, should whatever task force require a bit more firepower.
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Post by gibbo on Oct 12, 2019 11:00:28 GMT 12
In the event the Navy manage to keel haul sufficient numbers of bean counters to actually keep the MK41's, wouldn't the most likely path be to put them in a structure that can pickup up the 20 foot container mounts on Aotearoa. Atleast giving us the ability to deploy it on Aotearoa, should whatever task force require a bit more firepower. Not a bad concept I guess but with any re-use of weapons as suggested they would be a bespoke installation and that exposes MinDef, NZDF, RNZN etc to potentially huge 'developmental' costs & guaranteed huge support costs by suppliers for 'non-standard' installations... that's not a risk NZ tends to take, nor should they IMHO. If overseas navies have done so successfully then yes lean on their expertise, but the financial risk is probably too great for what are, after all, on the whole mid to late life weapons systems. |
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